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VisPacem Samba Member
Joined: July 15, 2007 Posts: 1143 Location: Las Vegas
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Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 12:23 pm Post subject: Re: 14 Inch Tire Question |
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aspendog wrote: |
I've done some searching on the threads regarding tires but got a bit overwhelmed so here goes. Whats the best currently available tire to go on the stock 14 inch rims for a Westy? |
As you did not specifically mention -Westfalia- I shall add my two dinars.
When I bought my van, 89 Wolfsburg it had 205-70-14 Cooper tires on factory alloys.
The reason I changed them is that someone offered me a set of 15 inch with tires for a fistful of said dinars. When time came to replace the tires I went with Yokohama TRZ 215-70-15 but that is another story.
I was completely satisfied with the Cooper tires and am just fine with the Yok **except** on ice, worthless on ice/frozen snow. _________________ LG aka VisPacemPB, *The* party Pooper
No Regrets (Nothing to do with Vanagons) |
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klucz Samba Member
Joined: February 14, 2006 Posts: 1062 Location: Chicago, IL
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Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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levi wrote: |
One of the Nokian, especially since you're in Michigan. |
X2, if you drive your rig during winter. _________________ 84 Westy 4spd sold |
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dhaavers Samba Member
Joined: March 19, 2010 Posts: 7756 Location: NE MN (tinyurl.com/dhaaverslocation)
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Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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Ummm...any news lately from aspendog? What'd you decide? Inquiring minds... _________________ 86 White Wolfsburg Westy Weekender
"The WonderVan"
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Busdepot Samba Member
Joined: March 24, 2004 Posts: 1311
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Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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You don't de-rate XL tires, *IF* I read the below right as they are reinforced |
I believe this is a misreading of the site. The actual D.O.T. specifications say that ALL passenger car tires - which would include XL tires - must be derated. _________________ - Ron Salmon
The Bus Depot
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chimivee Samba Member
Joined: September 23, 2009 Posts: 741 Location: Orange, CA
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Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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Busdepot wrote: |
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You don't de-rate XL tires, *IF* I read the below right as they are reinforced |
I believe this is a misreading of the site. The actual D.O.T. specifications say that ALL passenger car tires - which would include XL tires - must be derated. |
That would make the factory-equipped Michelin MXL below "spec." _________________ -James
86 Syncro Westy, etc |
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Busdepot Samba Member
Joined: March 24, 2004 Posts: 1311
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Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 7:13 am Post subject: |
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Nomenclatures were different back then. The original 185R14 tires were load range C, which today would be an LT tire and therefore will not be derated. The "sidewall reinforced" designation used on the OEM tires no longer exists. This roughly corresponds to an XL designation but I do not see anything to indicate that the designations are identical. The Roadhaus site that was referenced actually says, half way down the page, that current XL rated tires would still have to be derated. The DOT specifications also do not exclude XL tires from that requirement. _________________ - Ron Salmon
The Bus Depot
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Jon_slider Samba Member
Joined: April 11, 2007 Posts: 5091 Location: Santa Cruz, Crowdifornia
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Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 10:45 am Post subject: |
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thanks for your input Ron
my syncro door sticker lists 3 tires
a reinforced passenger tire rated for 1580 lbs @ 40 psi
the 185 tire rated 1710 lbs @ 55psi
and a 6/8 ply tire, rated 2270 lbs @ 65psi
the concern is only about the reinforced passenger tire rated 1580@40psi
compared to the Altimax, rated 1610 @ 44 psi.. it would seem to me, no matter how your derate both the Altimax and the original passenger tire, that the Altimax marginally qualifies.. personally I would not use it though.. since there are other 14" choices with higher load and inflation ratings
for example the 195R14 BFG AT, rated 1710 lbs @ 65 psi, good in dirt, ok on pavement and ok in snow
the Hankook 185 or 195 (specs not listed at busdepot.com, but I believe they are 1875 lbs @ 65psi). not for dirt or snow, only pavement
and the Nokians.. I dont have the specs, but they are higher rated than the Hankooks good for everything, dirt, pavement, and fantastic in snow |
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singler3360 Samba Member
Joined: February 25, 2009 Posts: 1191 Location: Corvallis, Oregon
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Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 11:38 am Post subject: |
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Jon_slider wrote: |
and the Nokians.. I dont have the specs, but they are higher rated than the Hankooks good for everything, dirt, pavement, and fantastic in snow |
Last month I installed a set of Nokian Hakkapellita CSs. They are rated at 1874 lbs. at 65 psi. These are all-weather rather than all-terrain or all-season. The improved handling on cornering is very noticeable as is the performance on doubletrack. I assume from their reputation that they will stand up well to snow, but I haven't tested that myself yet. They are quiet and haven't impacted fuel economy. All in all, I really like these tires.
Side note: I ran across a truck weigh station with 3 adults and one child, no camping gear or water and it came in at 4900 lbs. Using the formula (gross vehicle weight/(tire rating * 4)) * max. tire psi, they should be inflated to 42 front and 47 rear. |
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Busdepot Samba Member
Joined: March 24, 2004 Posts: 1311
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Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 7:59 am Post subject: |
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the Hankook 185 or 195 (specs not listed at busdepot.com, but I believe they are 1875 lbs @ 65psi). not for dirt or snow, only pavement |
They are not suitable for offroad use (mud, sand, etc.) as they are a street tire and do not have an offroad tread. Nor can they - or any all-season tire - compare to a high-end directional snow tire like the Vredestein Comtrac Winter (which we sell) or the equivalent Nokian. But as far as all-season street tires go, they are the best I've ever used in snow. At least as good as the Michelins, better than the Bridgestones and most of the others, and of course infinitely better than the Conti's and Yoko's (which are actually summer tires and not recommended for winter dirving at all) _________________ - Ron Salmon
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aspendog Samba Member
Joined: April 28, 2010 Posts: 36 Location: Plymouth, MI
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Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 7:31 am Post subject: |
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After much soul-searching I decided on the Hankook 195R14s. I got them through Discount Tire at the same price as advertised on Bus Depot (I didnt want to pay the shipping!). I will be mostly weekending with an occasional long road trip so these seemed like the best for my situation. Thanks to everyone for the input. |
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jerrydog411 Samba Member
Joined: September 28, 2009 Posts: 388 Location: North Vancouver, BC
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Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 7:38 am Post subject: |
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You'll love 'em. Smooth, stable & quiet. |
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dhaavers Samba Member
Joined: March 19, 2010 Posts: 7756 Location: NE MN (tinyurl.com/dhaaverslocation)
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Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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I agree - these are GREAT "good-weather" (ie: dry & wet, NOT snow & mud) tires. I do a lot of camping in national forest campgrounds and it's fun to work these dogs out a bit on a long gravel road. Understand, I'm not a syncro but I don't mind if the van gets dirty once in a while!
Happy trails! _________________ 86 White Wolfsburg Westy Weekender
"The WonderVan"
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nolsvan Samba Member
Joined: January 21, 2011 Posts: 3 Location: Huntington Beach,Ca.
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Posted: Sat May 14, 2011 11:52 am Post subject: Like my Hancooks on my gl. |
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kshbaja wrote: |
i have the hankook 195s and have been very happy with them. i would certainly recommend them. |
After the 15" mercedes rim time hole ,I decided to keep 14,s & go w/ the Hancook 195 tires. Very satisfying & the price was right in Orange Co. @ econo tire (714) 828 2351. Great artwork in waiting room,cool people. "ride to camp, camp to live" |
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Ahwahnee Samba Member
Joined: June 05, 2010 Posts: 9799 Location: Mt Lemmon, AZ
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Posted: Sat May 14, 2011 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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Thread appropriately revived on the 1-year anniversary of the original poster's question.
PS - I, too, like the 'Kooks. |
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