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VisPacem Samba Member
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Posted: Sat May 29, 2010 8:43 pm Post subject: 5 x 112 ? |
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There is unanimity regarding the proper pattern for Vanagon wheels.
5, I shall not comment we probably all know 5 holes. 112 I have to assume, quite safely that we are dealing with millimeters.
The question being where and how do you measure this 112 mm ? _________________ LG aka VisPacemPB, *The* party Pooper
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syncrodoka Samba Member
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Posted: Sat May 29, 2010 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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The question being where and how do you measure this 112 mm |
Imagine the lug nuts in a circle 112mm round. This isn't something that is easy to measure. If you are looking at a set of rims look on the back to verify the bolt pattern. There are other bolt patterns that are close enough that you can't measure it accurate like 5X108. |
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regis101 Samba Member
Joined: July 28, 2005 Posts: 2078 Location: Livermore, Ca
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VisPacem Samba Member
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Posted: Sat May 29, 2010 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you very much
However the mystery is getting "thicker" as one answer is circumference, the other for all but the 5 holes (of course) would be diameter.
Both answers are very much appreciated.
To slightly divert, the reason I am trying to clarify this issue is that I am looking for an Audi "donut" to use as a spare on the Vanagon. _________________ LG aka VisPacemPB, *The* party Pooper
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regis101 Samba Member
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VisPacem Samba Member
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Posted: Sun May 30, 2010 2:11 am Post subject: |
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Thanks Regis
Very valuable information. It is much appreciated. The next thing for me is to determine which of those wheels will match the load rating of the Vanagon.
I am not particularly concerned with the diameter of the center hub on the wheel. I assume that on the second link CB means Center Bore (?) and it would appear that all the Audi wheels measure at 57.1 mm. So I would say basically too small by about 3 mm, counting the lip on the VW grease cap perhaps 6 mm.
Now as I assume the center bore is not a weight bearing part of the wheel it can be roughly ground open to accommodate the Vanagon grease cap/hub.
Keeping in mind that we are dealing with a **spare** wheel for very temporary use at much reduced speed.
Well anyway thank you very much that was great help. Now on my way to determine which of those Audi models have wheels (donuts) matching the load requirement of the Vanagon
Thanks _________________ LG aka VisPacemPB, *The* party Pooper
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DAIZEE Samba Member
Joined: January 26, 2010 Posts: 7552 Location: Greater Toronto Area Ontario West Side
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Posted: Sun May 30, 2010 3:24 am Post subject: |
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I've just had 4 Audi wheels put on my Riviera. I don't know the technology, size, etc.... but this I know. The rear wheels fit well. The two front had to be routed out quite a bit with a custom spacer added. New 15 " tires with them as well. They are the proper load.
My spare is one of the former 14" , 5 , 112. I am selling the other 4 wheels and VW hubcaps.
I think you will be able to see my Audi wheels in the Scooby Blu thread. I call them Star Bursts but I don;t know what they are called _________________ '09 2.5L Jetta 5 cylinder, 5 spd, super turbo, see thread in H2O Cooled Jetta, etc...
83.5 Vanagon L Riviera Model with 98 1.9L TD AAZ 4 speed Daily Driver 3 out of 4 seasons (sold)
84 Vanagon GL Wolfsburg Westy WBX 4 speed (sold) |
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regis101 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun May 30, 2010 6:39 am Post subject: |
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I ran in the past and now have yet another set of 2000 Audi A4 seven spoke alloys. 15 x 7 with an ET of 39. Perfect fit on our Bus. IIRC, they need front spacers on a Vanagon. I'm not sure of the optimum ET for Vanagon's with a seven inch wide rim.
All four of the Audi A4 rim centers need to be hogged out making the rims lug centric only. I don't remember if the rears fit but the front didn't but I chose to hog all four for tire rotation. I could pay to have them machined to be hub and lug centric but am happy with lug centric. _________________ Peace, Regis |
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VisPacem Samba Member
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Posted: Sun May 30, 2010 9:20 am Post subject: |
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Yes guys
Thanks for reminding me to check the ET on those Audi -donuts-. As main wheels I am running those:
Only mod, the rear studs.
15 x 7 ET 25 I seem to recall. No spacer, no enlarging the center :bore"/hole. center caps fit perfect and happily spinning tight since december 2007 Ho ! Ho ! Ho!
I would have preferred center caps but the price was right. _________________ LG aka VisPacemPB, *The* party Pooper
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regis101 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun May 30, 2010 10:47 am Post subject: |
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I like 'em. I do believe that ET25 with a 7" rim wouldn't work on a Bus.
If I'm reading this link correctly, the MB has a center bore of 66.56
The ET isn't quite as pronounced.
http://www.custom-wheels-spinning-rims.com/Mercedes_Benz.htm _________________ Peace, Regis |
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VisPacem Samba Member
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Posted: Sun May 30, 2010 11:29 am Post subject: |
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Hello Regis
Sorry to contradict a nice chap like you however the facts remain. Here is my post just after I got the wheels and the specs were taken of the wheels.
Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 12:02 pm Post subject: **ET** come home ?
Hi
I have 4 Mercedes wheels, alloys, 15x7, lug holes 14mm, pattern 112, ET 25. Will they fit without spacer on my 1989 Vanagon Carat/Subray 2.2 power. The tires are 205-70-15.
Shall I be able to keep the Mercedes center caps ?
All constructive comments most welcome
Thanks[/i]
In retrospect and although this question was very expertly and pertinently answered by the local friendly experts, I shall nonetheless confirm and affirm that Mercedes wheels alloys, 15 x 7, lug holes 14mm, pattern 112, AND ET 25 DO FIT a Vanagon without any problem for almost three years now
I would not know about a "Bus"
Sorry
But to quote Old GG, eppure si muove [/b]
_________________ LG aka VisPacemPB, *The* party Pooper
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regis101 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun May 30, 2010 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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I sense no contradiction. All is well.
I'm running the Vanagon alloys with Hankook 195's. Nice combo.
I see that your original thread is coming up on three years old. _________________ Peace, Regis |
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Crankey Samba Member
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Posted: Sun May 30, 2010 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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just to make things more cornfusing, Mercedes wheels have a center bore of 66mm and are 5x112 which will fit the Vanagon hub and the lug holes generally will fit Vanagon hardware (14.5 mm ?)
of course this isn't for certain on all Merc wheels or aftermarket wheels for Mercs. ET's vary for different models too.
here's a chart that may help...
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/michaeltyler/tee3/Whe...t_Data.htm
this should be in the wheel sticky, I mean the thread, the chart is already in there somewhere. |
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VisPacem Samba Member
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Posted: Sun May 30, 2010 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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Well, if anyone has a "donut" that fits the Vanagon, please pm
Thanks _________________ LG aka VisPacemPB, *The* party Pooper
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regis101 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 8:04 am Post subject: |
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With a cup of Joe in hand, walk around the boneyard(s) and look in the trunks of the MB's _________________ Peace, Regis |
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syncrodoka Samba Member
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Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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Why not get a standard spare so that the vehicle can actually be driven at freeway speeds? People give those things away. |
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VisPacem Samba Member
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Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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syncrodoka wrote: |
Why not get a standard spare so that the vehicle can actually be driven at freeway speeds? People give those things away. |
I have a standard spare _________________ LG aka VisPacemPB, *The* party Pooper
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