| Author |
Message |
RadioRental
Samba Member
Joined: June 30, 2009
Posts: 555
Location: stow, ma
|
 Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 6:31 am Post subject: oil in cv joint |
 |
|
So, passenger axle has a torn boot at the wheel and oil in the transmission side cv joint.
As I opened the boot to inject grease a cup (or so) of runny tar came out.
I've ordered an entire half axle and looking through the available parts on van cafe I reckoned I needed one of these
http://www.van-cafe.com/home/van/page_596_783/drive_axle_seal_manual.html
I went through the bentley but couldn't find mention of this part.
Did I guess right?
_________________
__________________________________
'87 2.1. 125K 4spd Not rebuilt "Red Dwarf" |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Randy in Maine
Samba Member
Joined: August 03, 2003
Posts: 34890
Location: The Beach
|
| Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 6:46 am Post subject: |
|
|
On a bus/beetle it just clicks in there. Some black RTV sealant on the outside of the seal about 1/4" thick and allowed to cure after cleaning the area with brake cleaner, will seal it up well and keep it from leaking.
Never done one on a vanagon though. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
RadioRental
Samba Member
Joined: June 30, 2009
Posts: 555
Location: stow, ma
|
| Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 6:57 am Post subject: |
|
|
Thanks Randy, being a hack.. I would have forgoten the rtv.
Would you happen to know how much oil the tranny takes? Bentley said 4.something when I quickly glanced through it this morning. But a search here indicated people have spent about $50 on oil (mt90) which would seem to say they dropped in a gallon.
Also, I'm not an oil expert, but which weight would you recommend to cover all New England seasons, redline mt 80 or 90?
Apologies, both the weight and amount questions are probably covered but I cant find the answers
[edit] Re-worked my search terms. Fwiw a Gallon should suffice (I must have misread the bentley) and MT90 is the way to go
http://www.vanagonauts.com/Changing-gearbox-oil101.htm
thanks
_________________
__________________________________
'87 2.1. 125K 4spd Not rebuilt "Red Dwarf" |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Randy in Maine
Samba Member
Joined: August 03, 2003
Posts: 34890
Location: The Beach
|
| Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 7:27 am Post subject: |
|
|
| I don't know about Vanagons. I am a baywindow and we just use GL4 from NAPA. We use 3.7 quarts. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
SyncroGhia
Samba Member
Joined: August 21, 2009
Posts: 2458
Location: Highnam, UK
|
| Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 7:28 am Post subject: Re: oil in cv joint |
|
|
| RadioRental wrote: |
So, passenger axle has a torn boot at the wheel and oil in the transmission side cv joint.
As I opened the boot to inject grease a cup (or so) of runny tar came out.
I've ordered an entire half axle and looking through the available parts on van cafe I reckoned I needed one of these
http://www.van-cafe.com/home/van/page_596_783/drive_axle_seal_manual.html
I went through the bentley but couldn't find mention of this part.
Did I guess right? |
Not exactly. I'd say you need the seal which fits inside the flange of the gearbox.
(Photos taken from Mccavitti post)
If the seal you have flagged up was leaking, there would be oil spraying all over the place from the outside edge of the flange.
As it's gearbox oil which is leaking through, you should check the gearbox oil level too 
MG
_________________
T3 Syncro 16 S6 Westfalia Limey SOLD
T3 Syncro 6x6 SOLD
T3 RS6 Bluestar
T3 Tristar Syncro 16 SOLD
T3 Tristar Syncro RHD SOLD |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
RadioRental
Samba Member
Joined: June 30, 2009
Posts: 555
Location: stow, ma
|
| Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 7:46 am Post subject: Re: oil in cv joint |
|
|
| SyncroGhia wrote: |
Not exactly. I'd say you need the seal which fits inside the flange of the gearbox.
If the seal you have flagged up was leaking, there would be oil spraying all over the place from the outside edge of the flange.
As it's gearbox oil which is leaking through, you should check the gearbox oil level too
MG |
Thanks! that's very helpful... so..
Well, the starter solenoid is getting wet. Let me backtrack. About 500 miles ago I noticed a very slight resonating in 4th between 35-45. That was pinned down to cv joint and I only recently had time to inspect.
Inspection showed outside joint boot to be badly ripped, inside full of oil. I suspect that the outside was dry and the vibration wore a seal around the axle.
I'm due for a 400 mile round trip this weekend, half axle and seal have been ordered. Oil level was up to the fill hole (albeit with rear end on 8" ramp)
My question to you is, given this further info. do you still think it's the flange? I've no problem R&Ring the part, but it's starting to sound like I should avoid this upcoming trip if its more than just the axle & seal.
cheers /pauric
_________________
__________________________________
'87 2.1. 125K 4spd Not rebuilt "Red Dwarf" |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
RadioRental
Samba Member
Joined: June 30, 2009
Posts: 555
Location: stow, ma
|
| Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 8:16 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Randy in Maine wrote: |
| I don't know about Vanagons. I am a baywindow and we just use GL4 from NAPA. We use 3.7 quarts. |
On the off chance I don't get my redline mt90 here in time, are you saying this stuff is a substitute?
http://www.napaonline.com/Search/Detail.aspx?R=FHQ85401_0006416239
_________________
__________________________________
'87 2.1. 125K 4spd Not rebuilt "Red Dwarf" |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Tracey
Samba Member
Joined: November 22, 2008
Posts: 161
|
| Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 9:10 am Post subject: |
|
|
I just did this job yesterday on my westy.
The oil was leaking from a different point so I had to change the oil seal, The flange cap is what is most likely leaking on yours. Here is a good wright up and pictures. www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249639&highlight=flange+seal Look to see if oil is coming from behind the CV joint (closest to the transmission) or if its just leaking into the boot.
The only place you might want to use a little rtv is on the cap itself.
Not the hardest job on a van a couple of hours it was over and done.
Hope it helps.
Tracey
_________________
1986 Westy Subaru 2.5 Syncro **SOLD**
1970 Westy camper
1965 split project
I love the Vans! |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Randy in Maine
Samba Member
Joined: August 03, 2003
Posts: 34890
Location: The Beach
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
RadioRental
Samba Member
Joined: June 30, 2009
Posts: 555
Location: stow, ma
|
| Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 10:00 am Post subject: |
|
|
Thank you everyone -
Updated my order with vancafe for the caps & circlips.
Thanks for the link to the thread with pictures, doesn't look like a big job.
Found a local supplier of redline but will grab some napa gl4 tractor oil and top up the tranny if I can't get this job done before friday.
Karma dollars are in the ethermail.
/pauric
_________________
__________________________________
'87 2.1. 125K 4spd Not rebuilt "Red Dwarf" |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Randy in Maine
Samba Member
Joined: August 03, 2003
Posts: 34890
Location: The Beach
|
| Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 10:32 am Post subject: |
|
|
Our brand at NAPA is "Sta-Lube" GL4.
Tell them that is what you want. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Wildthings
Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2005
Posts: 50352
|
| Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 10:44 am Post subject: |
|
|
Nice article, makes me feel better about running synthetic motor oil in my transmissions. Wish oil analysis were cheaper so I would be willing to do it more readily. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
SyncroGhia
Samba Member
Joined: August 21, 2009
Posts: 2458
Location: Highnam, UK
|
| Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 10:45 am Post subject: |
|
|
It doesn't sound like you lost too much oil from the gearbox, it can look like a lot when it's splattered all over place.
Sounds like you got it sorted
MG
_________________
T3 Syncro 16 S6 Westfalia Limey SOLD
T3 Syncro 6x6 SOLD
T3 RS6 Bluestar
T3 Tristar Syncro 16 SOLD
T3 Tristar Syncro RHD SOLD |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
RadioRental
Samba Member
Joined: June 30, 2009
Posts: 555
Location: stow, ma
|
| Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 10:59 am Post subject: |
|
|
| SyncroGhia wrote: |
It doesn't sound like you lost too much oil from the gearbox, it can look like a lot when it's splattered all over place.
Sounds like you got it sorted
MG |
You're right, but it's not going to get any better and sounds like the flange.. I'll replace both seal and flange anyway when I get the axle. I got some gl-4 80/90 (dino) to top up for now in case I do the road trip before the parts arrive. Then will put in the mt 80 or 90 when I do the job.
thanks for your help /pauric
_________________
__________________________________
'87 2.1. 125K 4spd Not rebuilt "Red Dwarf" |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
