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r39o
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| VanCafe sells the mounting bracket |
The passengers side bracket used to be like crack! People wanted an arm and a leg for the thing! |
What is soooooo special? Guess I have to look with a tape measure. Too lazy to look in the parts catalog.....
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tam_shops
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Cool, thank you! Where is that picture from? Pictures are never too complicated for me, I'm visual, translated words to doing is complicated...I got my Bentley, have yet to sneak it in the house past my dh. He's onto me 
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Here's a diagram of all the parts involved. It looks overwhelming but really isn't when you
think of the parts as a whole. If the parcel tray is there, grab that too!
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Now this I do not get? I'll believe you, but if the seat is the same and the seat comes off that bracket, why does switching it to the other side of the vehicle mess it up? And, if you're installing it (not to worry, I'm not doing it), wouldn't you install it *to* line up? I'm probably not going to get this one until I see both brackets installed, so not to worry, will check them out next get together...Speaking of get togethers, I was thanked at the last local get together for asking my questions about the seat swivel and battery b/c they didn't know the answers either, but did not want to ask and look dumb. I'll take looking dumb for knowing the answers! Thank you very much, though I'm just a girl so no one expects me to know or figure these things out!
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The brackets are not interchangeable from side to side. If you put a drivers side bracket on the passengers side
the seat will not line up in the correct position. The mounting tab in the middle of the bracket is off center and the
brackets mounting holes are opposite as well, that's why.
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And, yes $60 for the correct bracket, plus $150 for the seat and ferry ride and day off work, is going to make this one *very* expensive seat and makes me wonder if I should wait for the next one and/or summer when I can travel to get it when ever it pops up, where ever it is and make a trip and event out of it! So much fun!
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$60 for this bracket seems pretty steep! |
Thank you very much, you guys are the best! 
tam
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Timwhy
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madspaniard
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driver's side bracket, notice attachment point for jumpseat is offset to the right
passenger's side bracket, offset to the left
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tam_shops
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Thank you. Now I don't have to act like a crazy person asking people to take their jump seats out.  LOL
Now, here is the part I'm still missing. If the seat I get is from behind the driver's seat and the bracket I get is from behind the driver's seat, why wouldn't they line up? I get why the opposites wouldn't line up, though I've never heard that the seats were different, just the brackets. And, I get why the driver side bracket holes might not line up w/ where they need to be, but that bracket and seat are mates, so shouldn't I just be able to move it to the other side of a different vehicle (no current holes) and make it *work*?
Thanks again for the picture!
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madspaniard
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the jumpseat frame has the attachment point for the bracket in a centered position (no offset). A driver side jumpseat and a passenger side jumpseat are the same. In order to align the placement of the jumpseat behind the front seats, the mounting brackets need to have the attachment point offset to one side. That way, the atachment point in the mounting bracket is in line with the center line of the front seat.
Go out to your van and mark the centerline for the passenger seat. You will see why the mounting point in the bracket is offset.
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Oooohhhh, it fits, it just doesn't work or line up, thank you!
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| the jumpseat frame has the attachment point for the bracket in a centered position (no offset). A driver side jumpseat and a passenger side jumpseat are the same. In order to align the placement of the jumpseat behind the front seats, the mounting brackets need to have the attachment point offset to one side. That way, the atachment point in the mounting bracket is in line with the center line of the front seat. |
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you got it
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looks like a semi skilled welder could fabricate/modify the brackets to accept either seat..
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I don't have the bracket that madspaniard has in his post a few back and when I quote it, it leaves a blank thread!
Do I have to have (now make) that part for an install behind the passenger when using the gowesty 3pt belt?
http://www.gowesty.com/ec_view_details.php?id=2738&category_id=&category_parent_id=
This is going to be one very expensive project for someone else's child(ren)! Can't I use one of the 26yo seat belts left over from when I replace them from the Z bed? LOL I'm going to have to charge a Toll for the seat! 
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I don't have the bracket that madspaniard has in his post a few back and when I quote it, it leaves a blank thread!
Do I have to have (now make) that part for an install behind the passenger when using the gowesty 3pt belt?
http://www.gowesty.com/ec_view_details.php?id=2738&category_id=&category_parent_id=
This is going to be one very expensive project for someone else's child(ren)! Can't I use one of the 26yo seat belts left over from when I replace them from the Z bed? LOL I'm going to have to charge a Toll for the seat!
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Not really sure what you are asking. You always need the mounting bracket to install the jumpseat in your westy. Van Cafe sells them. Or try the classifieds here. Maybe you mean the small bracket to mount the seatbelt to the jumpseat mounting bracket?
The link you added to your post above is for a 3-point seatbelt to be used only in 1968 to 1979 VW buses. Maybe you meant this one?
http://www.gowesty.com/ec_view_details.php?id=3443&category_id=&category_parent_id=
If so, I have one. You need to read the GoWesty description and look at the pics they have of one installed. This seatbelt is totally independent of the jumpseat mounting bracket and the small bracket for the factory jumpseat seatbelt
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The inertia reel is mounted low instead of high, and the shoulder strap terminates at a point already present on all Vanagons just below the point where the front seat shoulder anchor is.
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tam_shops
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THANKS! I'd thrown that wrong one in my cart when I did a quick search in my excitement! Good thing they're out of stock or I may have blindly stupidly ordered the wrong year! They all look the same...
Will see if it lets me quote the pictures this way...
I have two of these black mounting bracket things. They are different. One for the driver's side and one for the passenger side. I made sure to check that! LOL Thank you to who ever taught me that and that they'd were cost $60 if they didn't come with the seat!
I do not have the little small grey bracket you used in this picture.
BUT, now that I've looked at the right gowesty page closer, I see they don't use one w/ the 3pt belt anyway.
Thank you!
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Not really sure what you are asking. You always need the mounting bracket to install the jumpseat in your westy. Van Cafe sells them. Or try the classifieds here. Maybe you mean the small bracket to mount the seatbelt to the jumpseat mounting bracket?
The link you added to your post above is for a 3-point seatbelt to be used only in 1968 to 1979 VW buses. Maybe you meant this one?
http://www.gowesty.com/ec_view_details.php?id=3443&category_id=&category_parent_id=
If so, I have one. You need to read the GoWesty description and look at the pics they have of one installed. This seatbelt is totally independent of the jumpseat mounting bracket and the small bracket for the factory jumpseat seatbelt
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The inertia reel is mounted low instead of high, and the shoulder strap terminates at a point already present on all Vanagons just below the point where the front seat shoulder anchor is.
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Oh, one more stupid jump seat question. The open/close rod, part 11 from the schematics above, will not stay on one of the seats. I don't see a part 13 on the broken one for sure, will go and check if it's on the not broken one, but didn't see it when I looked at it to figure out how to get it back on.
I tried lining everything up and then smacking it with a hammer. No such luck it stays on until you try to *use* it, then falls off again. Stupid useless useful thing. I'm tempted to use that lock tight stuff you can use on screws, but suspect you're going to tell me to weld it or something else expensive that I can't do... 
The best part about this fun expensive project that's already given me a headache, when it's done, I'm going to have to listen to three or maybe four screaming kids in the Vanagon, instead of two! Anyone got a door between the front and back?  I think there is something wrong with me!
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