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Mang
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Kiwi dye (not polish) on my upper & lower grill. Sanded down the silver paint first, and hit the whole thing with TSP.
I'm pretty happy, although I must admit the pics make them look better than they are - up close you they're still a bit blotchy. Another coat perhaps.
Went ahead and did the plastic bumper ends, those turned out good as well.
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vanagonjr
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For those who went the Forever Black (or similar non-paint) route, how did you remove the silver trim paint, or did you re-paint the silver?
I'm going to install a rd. headlight grill and I don't want the (faded) silver trim. Of course, if I paint the grill, it doesn't matter, but I was thinking of trying the Forever Black method to re-hab the grill instead.
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dhaavers
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| vanagonjr wrote: |
| ... how did you remove the silver trim paint...? |
Mine was faded/worn enough that the remainder came off with just an old scotchbrite pad.
Any fine grit sandpaper would do (220 or smaller) and still finish up nicely.
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syncroid
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Crankey
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| Posted: Sat May 11, 2013 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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| vanagonjr wrote: |
For those who went the Forever Black (or similar non-paint) route, how did you remove the silver trim paint, or did you re-paint the silver?
I'm going to install a rd. headlight grill and I don't want the (faded) silver trim. Of course, if I paint the grill, it doesn't matter, but I was thinking of trying the Forever Black method to re-hab the grill instead. |
I think it's best to paint the grill. it's hard plastic so paint sticks to it fairly well.
to paint the grill I used Krylon primer and satin black paint. it looks fine after many years.
for the flexible air dam and bumper caps I used Forever Black and that worked well. obviously its not good forever, it gets dirt/dust and the dye fades after a couple years. but it's easy to put on and at 2 year intervals it's close enough to forever for me. I just don't like the idea of peeling paint on the air dam and I do think most paint will peel off that. [/img] |
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Bman
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So I tackled a small experiment project this weekend to test a product and learn what I need to do to do it better. My Wife's Bday is approaching this week and I wanted to do something for her and her 1989 T3 van. She is a Peace loving soul so I always wanted to get one of those GoWesty peace emblems for her van; however the GW peace emblem only fits a 86-87 square headlight grill the 88-91 has a LARGER emblem. OK so I got her a used one from a friend.
At first I was going to use the Krylon trim paint, but I stopped by my local auto paint store and they frowned on that and recommended this:
First I washed the grills with simple green
Then I spent about 2-3 hours over a few days dry sanding the grills, first with 400 grit.
I washed the grill with a degreaser solution, let dry
Then did a second sanding (about 2 hours) with 1000 grit, again washed with the degreaser
Then I was going to follow someone's advice on here to use ACETONE to do a final wash. STOP DO NOT USE ACETONE, IT WILL DISSOLVE YOUR PLASTIC!
A quick drying and re-sanding the test area I ruined with the acetone, degreaser wash again.
I then used a toothbrush and MINERAL SPIRITS to give the grills a final wash to get all the dirt and grime out of the corners.
Dry and then paint with the above product:
I am very happy with the results and think this Spray Max 1K trim paint is great stuff, the final finish feels like it is part of the plastic not a paint job.
Things I would do different:
Put a layer of primer on so I could see the imperfections and then sand again before placing finish paint on.
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vanagonjr
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| Bman wrote: |
At first I was going to use the Krylon trim paint, but I stopped by my local auto paint store and they frowned on that and recommended this:
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I see that is sold in Satin, Matt and Gloss (all with same P/N  )
Which one did you use?
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Bman
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iiigoiii
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Things I would do different:
Put a layer of primer on so I could see the imperfections and then sand again before placing finish paint on. |
remember though that the trim paint is probably formulated specifically to stick to plastic, not necessarily to primer. so - i'm thinking you did the right thing by not using primer....
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nemobuscaptain
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vanagonjr
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| iiigoiii wrote: |
| ...remember though that the trim paint is probably formulated specifically to stick to plastic, not necessarily to primer. so - i'm thinking you did the right thing by not using primer.... |
Agree, just had a nightmare this weekend using primer on a product I've used many times w/o primer only to discover it was incompatible with primer!
Note that they do sell an adhesion promoter for plastic on their website.
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Bman
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^^^^^Good to know thanks. At one point I considered if I should do it, but after all that time on sanding and cleaning I thought: "Good Enough!"
The primer issue came up while talking to my neighbor after showing him the project and he went on how you can really see the imperfections on the object after priming it and how you can get a further 'finished" look.
However you bring up a real good point above whether it is necessary.
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fraggle00
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If you want to skip painting, I've been using the Adams VRT. It's a lot better than the back to black, and actually smells nice!
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canasync
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I first heard of this in the video below. I have not tried this myself as I was quite skeptical but since then I have talked to a couple people that swear by it.
keep in mind that these products are meant to treat black plastic which was molded in black. So I don't think that the results would be very good on a painted surface.
If anyone has any feedback on this stuff let us know. Think I may give it a try sometime.
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costal_cat
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I first heard of this in the video below. I have not tried this myself as I was quite skeptical but since then I have talked to a couple people that swear by it.
keep in mind that these products are meant to treat black plastic which was molded in black. So I don't think that the results would be very good on a painted surface.
If anyone has any feedback on this stuff let us know. Think I may give it a try sometime.
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This is great I used it on my dad's golf cart and a 2003 530i trim. It is for plastic molded items. BUT BUT and this is the key, it needs to really dry for 24 hours with no water or moister or it spots bad and is hard to reapply. So if you have the car outside overnight and you get dew or condensation in that area it is a problem. I know i did this with the golf cart first time, but got a replacement part from a shop..
If you can keep the car or piece in the garage overnight you are golden. Just follow the instructions, it comes with sponge, gloves and prep material dont take any short cuts and it works fine
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thatguydave
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 8:35 pm Post subject: Re: Best Product for restoring the plastic parts on the exterior |
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Bman - Thanks for suggesting Spray Max. My upper and lower grilles look like new! BTW I sprayed Krud Krutter as a degreaser and after drying did not need the mineral spirits..
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shagginwagon83
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| Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2021 4:56 pm Post subject: Re: Best Product for restoring the plastic parts on the exterior |
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I am about to tackle this job. I absolutely love Spraymax products so I ordered a can online for about $18 shipped. I plan to use 3m scotch pads and a dregreaser to rough up/prep the surface.
I do remember I have some cracks in my plastic. Not in the paint. Any recommendation for a plastic filler for that?
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