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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with the above post...it's taken 2 pages for me to finally figure out who you are..now it's going take another two to figure out why you are starting this post out of the blue all defensive.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bump... this thread is shit.
that guy is feeling guilty i think Smile


so lets turn this around,make yourself useful, why dont you show us some metal technic...
love to learn as i have a very bad vert deck lid that will need the same treatment.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wiggy wrote:
Who gives a shit about something that happened 10 years ago?


A-fuckin'-men.... advertisement, whine, regret, sabotage... it's anything but interesting.

When I see this Heb someday completed.. I will say... "Nice Heb".. regardless of your desire to "wiz" on it.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 5:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

so he said its unrestorable??

sure...

you should see what people can do with metal... grundmann...
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 3:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the left font fender, the paint and the bumpers are not original. the rest of the car seems untouched to me??? Shocked

this one is more than restorable!

okay, i can see a front crash. but that's surely not the "k.o. criterion"?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 5:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heb nr 6 is like many cars now restored again...even after a resto or reconstruction from years ago. The car is in Asia and will be as good as new or maybe better regarding the quality they were made in.
The biggest part of the existing Hebs are restored or reconstructed. Some of them more than once in their live.
There are only a few of them that are not restored. I know not a single one that is not updated. The first car that is not touched ( as in respray, reconstruction, welding, update in technique or stuff like that) since it was made is not found yet to my knowledge.
The movie above is from the moment the car was towed out of the barn since it was stored in by the owner. It was made early 90's I think.
It was sold to a collector who sold it to Don G.

I like the picts . Let them come if you have others. They are helpfull for my research. Thanks.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 6:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

peter schepens wrote:
Heb nr 6 is like many cars now restored again...even after a resto or reconstruction from years ago. The car is in Asia and will be as good as new or maybe better regarding the quality they were made in.
The biggest part of the existing Hebs are restored or reconstructed. Some of them more than once in their live.
There are only a few of them that are not restored. I know not a single one that is not updated. The first car that is not touched ( as in respray, reconstruction, welding, update in technique or stuff like that) since it was made is not found yet to my knowledge.
The movie above is from the moment the car was towed out of the barn since it was stored in by the owner. It was made early 90's I think.
It was sold to a collector who sold it to Don G.

I like the picts . Let them come if you have others. They are helpfull for my research. Thanks.

Best regards. Peter


I think the video was shot in the late 80s actually, at the home of the guy who I bought my '51 from. In fact, when that video was shot, my '51 stored in that white barn you can see with the basketball goal on the front! I still stay in touch with him, in fact just got letter last week. He is an elderly man who still uses a typewriter!

If I recall correctly he bought the Heb at the Hershey PA show for $150 and later sold it. I am not sure if he ever drove it, or did anything to it. I'll ask him about it again when I talk to him....
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hope this thread gets back to Thetinwizards work . I have enjoyed the pictures he has shared and would like to see more. I am interested in the man hours involved in such work. did you remove inner panels to do the repairs or use a studgun and puller?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 7:54 pm    Post subject: Header & Right Quarter Reply with quote

This is a repost per the moderator's request to keep this all together. We've been too busy to get around to reposting in the appropriate section.

2001 Reconstruction: Hebmuller 006 Part 2



We're working on finding more pictures, but it seems more of our floppy disks are dead. These are the photos we were able to rescue displaying the work done to the right quarter panel and the header.

Somehow every square inch of this car was abused by somebody or something, but we were trying to keep as many sections of this car authentic original as possible.

After removing ALL of the Bondo and lead:
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Metal finishing started on header:

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You can see the level of necessary repair. Every square inch was dented.

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The upper section, of quarter panel, metal finished:

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These are the 1020 AK .065 stiffiners that somebody claimed had been removed:

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Metal finished bottom section trimmed for butt weld, and tack welded in place. Testing fender (perfect fit).

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Quarter panel metal finished

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Another angle of quarter panel metal finished

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

2001 Reconstruction: Part 3 – Rear Apron / Fender

We know a lot of you want more explanation on the work done, but we just don’t have the pictures available to support that idea (dead floppys). In a future post we’ll elaborate more on the work done here.

Tonight we’ll show you the right rear fender (still looking for pictures of the left) and the rear apron.

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It only took an hour, with methylene chloride, to lift the plastic body filler.

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Almost finished…
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Look at all those pretty colors, and we don’t mean the watermark.

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Now we can actually start, and you can see that (like the rest of the car) somehow every square inch was abused by somebody or something.

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Here’s the rear section roughed in, and acid washed one time.

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Really enjoyed the time guys

Signing off…

Wiz,
Jason

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 12:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jason,
This is really great to see! You are a true magician with metal.. Remember I stopped by your shop back in - I guess - 1998/99 and we spent a whole day making patterns off the Rometsch you had in your shop? Again, thanks for all your good advice and help in doing that. Those patterns have served me well afterwards. You worked similar magic with aluminium on that car - way to go!

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 1:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm confused. Embarassed Whats the current state of the heb now?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 1:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

draginwagen wrote:
I'm confused. Embarassed Whats the current state of the heb now?

Still in the process of being restored, at least one owner and one continent later. That's all I was able to decipher Confused
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

love it!! great work thin man!!
very inspiring!

thanks!
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 4:36 pm    Post subject: Rometsch? Reply with quote

Oystein:

Did you mean this Rometsch restoration?

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We're currently archiving this project and plan to do an article on it soon, but we just don't have the time to do it right now.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 4:21 pm    Post subject: Closing arguments Reply with quote

Hi guys, this is Jason again.

I finally had a minute to finish this post while Wiz was working on his Formula 1 race boat, and out of my hair... I've enjoyed putting it together and hope you guys have had some fun reading through it.

The skins on the bottom of the left and right door were rusted all the way through.

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The door frames were in excellent condition, allowing the replacement bottom skin to fit perfectly where the original did.

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Here you can see the doors roughed in.

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This is the condition the car was in when we took delivery:

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We installed the semaphore pockets:

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Front end clamped in place with good fit:

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These are some parts that we know were not factory installed. They were replaced, hence the "reconstruction" rather than "restoration".

Hood
front quarter panels
front apron
door bottoms
rear quarter panel bottoms
convertible frame rails
floor pans
front & rear bumper brackets
front & rear fenders
running boards
2 wheels

This is the condition the car left our shop, after finishing the work requested.

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As always, enjoyed the time guys.

Posted by Jason

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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These are some parts that we know were not factory installed. They were replaced, hence the "reconstruction" rather than "restoration".

Hood
front quarter panels
front apron
door bottoms
rear quarter panel bottoms
convertible frame rails
floor pans
front & rear bumper brackets
front & rear fenders
running boards
2 wheels


i do not wish to cause any arguments here or to belittle the work done to this car in the photos, frankly i am in awe at the level of metal finishing done to this car and wish i had 1% of your skills.

my problem is that you call this a reconstruction not a restoration, imo a restoration is what you have shown in these photos, restoring somthing back to is former shape or condition, with no front clip on the car it could not be reasembled or 'reconstructed' however once 'restored' it is a complete car once again.

i think for example saying it cant class as a restoration because of a door skin, floorpans or bumper brackets means that 99% of classic cars cannot be 'restored'

anyway rant over.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for the pictures Jason. Great sheet metal work!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 12:47 pm    Post subject: Restoration/reconstruction Reply with quote

A few years ago I metal finished(no body filler used)the Triumph TR3 that had won the Daytona Continental in 1965 ,1964 ,and second place in 1963 in E production.The car had been rolled.I straightened the original(installed at the factory) body panels to factory spec.This was a true restoration.This is completely original bodywork on the car,thus this is truly the car that won Daytona Continental,and not just parts of it.This is a significant restoration and is not confused with a reconstruction.There is great respect for the car due to that fact.

The Heb #00006 is a reconstruction, and nowhere near the level of the TR3,and does not deserve that respect. #00006 was properly metal finished (no body filler used) and fit with time period correct replacement parts,but is a reconstruction.It is not the car that left the factory in 1949,only parts of it.

My personal 1967 dealer supercharged Mustang fastback is 100% authentic as built in 1967.It was last driven in 1973 and has been sealed up since that time.This will be a true restoration when I do it.The car will be authentic (as left the dealership)and will not class with most others.That is what separates restorations from reconstructions.

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