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didget69
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That harness is really...really...did I say really?...bad
I wouldn't use it if I was given one for free. |
It does have some useful value, though - the wire in it can be used to hang parts that you're painting, or to tie brake calipers up to support them while removing the rotors. Or it can be used like a bola to trap squirrels... or the neighbors cat.
Or drink a few beers with friends & toss it for distance.
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BL3Manx
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You can get the same harness from JC Whitney for $54.
If you replace the crappy ceramic fuse type block with a new SAE type fuse block, the diagram and color code is fairly idiot proof and it will work fine.
If you also know how to solder connectors/junctions, you can actually make it fairly bulletproof.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ATC-ATO-6-way-Stand...ccessories |
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didget69
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I'd still recommend crimping over solder any day, as long as you use quality crimp terminals & a quality crimping tool.
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Smyrnaguy
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| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 11:18 am Post subject: |
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| Soldering makes for a certain but brittle connection. If vibration is a factor as it is in any car then crimping alone is recommended. But use a quality crimp tool. A cheapie is going to cause trouble when your wires start slipping out of the connectors. |
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ccbuggy
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| Ok I guess its bad, I didn't think it looked good just from the pic. You would think Cip1.com would sell a quality harness. I've been disappionted from a few things I bought from them and they turned out to be EMPI parts. I've also looked at the Painless wiring kit but think they are a little over priced? Any other options? |
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jaymonkey
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| Ok I guess its bad, I didn't think it looked good just from the pic. You would think Cip1.com would sell a quality harness. I've been disappionted from a few things I bought from them and they turned out to be EMPI parts. I've also looked at the Painless wiring kit but think they are a little over priced? Any other options? |
I think I'm going to try these guys.
http://www.keepitcleanwiring.com/products/wire-harness-kits/
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BL3Manx
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| Ok I guess its bad, I didn't think it looked good just from the pic. You would think Cip1.com would sell a quality harness. I've been disappionted from a few things I bought from them and they turned out to be EMPI parts. I've also looked at the Painless wiring kit but think they are a little over priced? Any other options? |
Yeah.... You can get a buggy harness from JC Whitney for $54. Unless you plan on adding a butt load of electric accessories, its all a typical buggy needs.
Replace the crappy ceramic fuse type block with a new SAE type fuse block, the diagram and color code is fairly idiot proof and it will work fine.
You can either solder connectors/junctions or use quality crimp on type make it fairly bulletproof.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ATC-ATO-6-way-Stand...ccessories
Don't forget that if you buy a $200 generic harness, the schematic won't be specifically labeled to use the original VW switches. If you use the VW switches and components, the numbers on the switch and component terminals will be meaningless. You'll either have to figure them out yourself, or buy new switches. |
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ccbuggy
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I would rather spend a little more and get a quality harness. I'm not that good with wiring so I want to keep its simple, I've seen some nice home harness on here and I not about to attempt that. I found this company on line Rebel Wire anyone try there kits. The kits are made for vw not universal like the keepitcleanwiring.com. They also have a rear fuse mount kit that might be what the original post might be looking for? Its on the second url.
http://www.rebel-wire.com/vwkits.shtml
http://rebelwire.com/rebel-wire-products.php?cat=Wire%20Kits |
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BL3Manx
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It says they are made for VWs and have circuits for the Air Conditioning and heat. No, I don't think so.
Well anyway, by the time you get that all figured out, you won't just be good, you'll be a wiring expert. |
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jspbtown
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| Just remember that even the VW kit will require lots of extra ground wire (as posted in many other posts). |
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didget69
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I would rather spend a little more and get a quality harness. I'm not that good with wiring so I want to keep its simple, I've seen some nice home harness on here and I not about to attempt that. I found this company on line Rebel Wire anyone try there kits. The kits are made for vw not universal like the keepitcleanwiring.com. They also have a rear fuse mount kit that might be what the original post might be looking for? Its on the second url.
http://www.rebel-wire.com/vwkits.shtml
http://rebelwire.com/rebel-wire-products.php?cat=Wire%20Kits |
I posted information about the Rebel Wire harnesses a short while back... spoke with the owner about his wares.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=420751&highlight=rebel+wire
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ccbuggy
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Did you get it? Did you also get the extra ground wire kit? How did it all work out? Thanks |
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scarybuggy
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Don't over-think it... As stated above, the Bugpack harness can be used as a good starting point, but I would echo the recommendation to change out the fuse block. Get a good set of crimpers, and I would recommend connectors with solderless (heat shrink) connectors. Just add your own switches and your ready to go. Also, to get rid of some of the extra lengths of ground wire, you can just run them all to a central ground block, with one main wire going to the chassis.
Remember - wiring is as simple as following one circuit at a time. Trust me, I'm no expert, but when I follow each circuit individually, it becomes MUCH easier. As a matter of fact, when you follow that rule, you could just buy the wire yourself and make your own loom... 
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BL3Manx
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What makes a Bugpack harness useful is the simple graphic wiring diagram that comes with it. Beside being color coded and having the wire gauge shown, it is also labeled with the terminal numbers on the VW switches and components that many buggies use. Its the easiest harness to install in a buggy, bar none.
Actually the diagram is so simple, you don't really need the harness.
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Russ Wolfe
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What makes a Bugpack harness useful is the simple graphic wiring diagram that comes with it. Beside being color coded and having the wire gauge shown, it is also labeled with the terminal numbers on the VW switches and components that many buggies use. Its the easiest harness to install in a buggy, bar none.
Actually the diagram is so simple, you don't really need the harness.
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Actually, the factory wiring diagrams do the same thing, and are available for free on The Samba.
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BL3Manx
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A VW diagram will give you all the simplicity of a VW sedan harness.
A bugpack type harness is the simplest to install in a buggy bar none.
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Russ Wolfe
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One thing I see in bugpack diagram that I do not like. It is the head light fusing. 1 fuse for both head lights. on high or low beam. If you short out one head light, you lose both headlights.
VW used a separate fuse for each headlight filament.
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