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vintagemotion
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My 82 Westy has the original ply wood on the floor (under cabinets and under carpet of Kitchen area).
I noticed that the passenger Vanagons have this very nice molded hard foam in this same area.
1. Has anyone tried fit the molded foam from a passenger Vanagon into a Westy?
2. What’s under the Kitchen area on a later model Westy?
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j_dirge
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| Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 7:26 am Post subject: |
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| vintagemotion wrote: |
2. What’s under the Kitchen area on a later model Westy? |
Plywood. It loooks like scrap from Westy cabinet production, ,... cut to fit.
Thick felt is used under the rear bench and under part of the water cabinet
That and petrified cheerios, paper clips, a penny or two, usually at least one beer cap, and about 1/4lb of fine grained sand and silt.
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those are straight line runs with light weight race cars for only 1/4mile at a time..
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vintagemotion
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| Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 2:24 pm Post subject: Kitchen Rust Prevention |
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I observed that rust behind the kitchen starts at the sheet metal overlaps (where the body panels are welded with spots welds). Almost all sheet metal overlaps on the entire Vanagon that are exposed to water is sealed body sealing caulk - with the exception of the Kitchen area. These sheet metal overlaps have no paint in the gap – basically bare metal!
To me that is the big problem for an area with that much condensation and leak issues.
Since I have very little rust there yet I plan to seal all overlaps with 3M Body sealer.
I still have not decided on insulation in that area. Here are my thoughts:
By using R13 home insulation I’m afraid that it will absorb moisture.
By using adhesive insulation I’m concerned to trap moisture.
Does anyone have long term experience with insulation??
Any suggestions or pictures on where to drill the drain holes?
Here are some pictures of my not yet rusted kitchen area
http://picasaweb.google.com/vintagemotion/VanagonKitchenArea#slideshow
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vintagemotion
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| Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 8:23 am Post subject: Surprising source of water leak |
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Those three plastic boxes have rusted out more westys than you can shake a garden hose at. |
that's a pretty scary comment, esp. since you're in Calif. |
I discovered on my Vanagon that the main source of a water leak was not from the plastic boxes or condensation on the panels. After I removed the cabinets a "hose down" test actually shows that the water is coming from the vertical body panel seams. By the factory the seam are sealed from the outside with a black sealer and painted over in body color. Over time the sealer developed hairline cracks that now pull in water behind the cabinets. On my Westy the leak is pretty substantial even though the sealer only has very thin cracks.
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madspaniard
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| Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 10:02 am Post subject: Re: Surprising source of water leak |
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| Noganav T3 wrote: |
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Those three plastic boxes have rusted out more westys than you can shake a garden hose at. |
that's a pretty scary comment, esp. since you're in Calif. |
I discovered on my Vanagon that the main source of a water leak was not from the plastic boxes or condensation on the panels. After I removed the cabinets a "hose down" test actually shows that the water is coming from the vertical body panel seams. By the factory the seam are sealed from the outside with a black sealer and painted over in body color. Over time the sealer developed hairline cracks that now pull in water behind the cabinets. On my Westy the leak is pretty substantial even though the sealer only has very thin cracks. |
Bingo!
same happened to mine, panel seams, did the garden hosde test a year ago to discover the problem
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vintagemotion
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| Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 6:24 am Post subject: Re: Surprising source of water leak |
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Bingo!
same happened to mine, panel seams, did the garden hosde test a year ago to discover the problem[/quote]
so how did you seal the seams
Rolf
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