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Scotty Samba Member
Joined: July 02, 2003 Posts: 1525 Location: Northampton - Uk
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Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 5:26 am Post subject: A Pillar Differences |
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Whilst installing my safaris I realised that the shape of the A pillars on my bus are quite different from later buses. The front part of the A pillar (attached to the windscreen surround) sits about 7mm proud of the rear part of the A pillar (attached to the metal above the door opening):
On later buses these 2 parts are almost in line with each other:
As you can see from the above pic that the correct position for the safari bracket is over lapping the vertical join between the 2 parts of the A pillar. This 7mm step on my bus meant I couldn't fit the outer brackets where I wanted to, resulting in the safari sliders pointing straight down when they're shut:
Anyone know when this detail changed? I know all the 54 buses with safaris don't have this step in the A pillar _________________
EverettB wrote: |
I'd be curious to know the length of his tip.
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Drew Ogden Samba Member
Joined: February 19, 2004 Posts: 329 Location: Elbow Cay, Bahamas
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Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 9:02 am Post subject: |
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Cool observation!!
I just looked at my April 53 and it has that step in the pillar. I also have a friends 54 here, and it doesn't have that step, just like you mentioned. You learn something new every day.
BTW, my 53 safari sliders point straight down as well. |
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Lowdown Dirty Rat Samba Member
Joined: June 25, 2005 Posts: 877 Location: Cornwall, UK
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Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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Hummmm!
How this effect the gerson A pillars I have waiting in the garage? Might have to dig them out and take a look tomorrow. |
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johnny d Samba Member
Joined: March 22, 2004 Posts: 2204 Location: where it all came from. ;)
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Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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scotty.. your a pillars are just some very very VERY bad aftermarked ones!
you should have better kept that secred!
lets better discuss the roof question we talked about at vowoshow! _________________ GermanRestoKommando
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Lowdown Dirty Rat Samba Member
Joined: June 25, 2005 Posts: 877 Location: Cornwall, UK
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Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 2:40 am Post subject: |
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oh dear!
looks like Gerson based his A pillars on a post 53 barndoor.
Last edited by Lowdown Dirty Rat on Sat Aug 21, 2010 3:16 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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53kombi Samba Member
Joined: August 24, 2004 Posts: 254 Location: Hot and Humid, Southeast
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Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 9:22 am Post subject: |
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The A pillars on my June 17, 1953 kombi do not have the step. Looks like the change occurred between April and June '53. Maybe we can figure out exactly when it occurred. Any other info from owners between April and June 17, 1953? _________________ Looking for these items for my June '53 kombi:
Barndoor 25hp case 20-060XXXX (June '53)
Barndoor Eberspacher gas heater. ('53-'55)
1 barndoor 16" wheel (Lemmerz dated 2/53)
NOS german 25hp/36hp oil pump
Zwitter intake manifold |
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Tonny_Larsen Samba Member
Joined: July 02, 2003 Posts: 371 Location: Denmark
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Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 8:21 am Post subject: |
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Just a guess, but could it be when they changed from the piano hinge window frame to the other one.
http://www.barndoor.dk/detaljer8.htm
-Tonny |
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Drew Ogden Samba Member
Joined: February 19, 2004 Posts: 329 Location: Elbow Cay, Bahamas
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Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 8:29 am Post subject: |
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Nope, the piano hinge change happened much earlier. I am familiar with bus 20-042295, which is early january 1953 and it has standard vent windows.
I am wondering if there are any factory safari buses with this A pillar step. The change could be a result of needing to mount safari tabs?? Whats the earliest known factory safari bus? |
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Bergepanzer Samba Member
Joined: May 21, 2008 Posts: 122
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Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 8:30 am Post subject: |
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Hi,
btw: The change towards later popout windows already came during January 1953; with the first 1953 popout windows still lacking the water stop angle on the outside.
I don´t quite understand the difference between the two A pillar types.
Is just the door seal channel fixed more to the outside on earlier models or is the sheet steel pressing of the main A pillar part different to later ones?
Regards,
Jurgen |
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MattBulliBus Samba Member
Joined: May 20, 2008 Posts: 28 Location: Sunny Berkshire, UK
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Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 9:12 am Post subject: A Pillar |
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My December 52 bus also has this step on the A Pillar.
Matt |
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Gerson Samba Member
Joined: January 23, 2004 Posts: 1828 Location: Jupiter Fl
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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 7:44 am Post subject: |
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this is the first I ever hear of this, I am sure the NOS A pillars that we used to make the dies were post 53....now where the fuck am I going to find a set of 50 to 53 NOS A pillars to make changes to my dies... .....these are not exactly growing on trees, specially down here in Colombia..... _________________ that's not patina, that's fucking rust man!!!!
we (klassicfab) make the funky green panels........... |
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52panelvan Samba Member
Joined: June 07, 2006 Posts: 350
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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 11:10 am Post subject: |
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Is this an actual difference in the A pillar or just where the seal holding U section is welded to the pillar. I would have guessed the latter ? _________________ Austrian Kohlruss Deluxe
January 1954, 20-072397
The Kohlruss Barndoor Restoration - https://www.facebook.com/groups/641684399225180/
Instagram - rustykohlruss |
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Lowdown Dirty Rat Samba Member
Joined: June 25, 2005 Posts: 877 Location: Cornwall, UK
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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 1:03 pm Post subject: |
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Gerson, Is it possible to tell the differences without having a NOS pillar. Don't you have a bunch of early and late barndoors as in your signature? Some will be Columbianised but together should give a clear picture no?
I need to get this fixed, my current pillars are useless unless they can be modified. |
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Gerson Samba Member
Joined: January 23, 2004 Posts: 1828 Location: Jupiter Fl
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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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I have a beat down 52 standard in the shop, I will take a look at it and see if the pillars have been messed with, and I will compare them with the NOS post 53 pillars that I used to make the dies with........give me a couple of days... _________________ that's not patina, that's fucking rust man!!!!
we (klassicfab) make the funky green panels........... |
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Lowdown Dirty Rat Samba Member
Joined: June 25, 2005 Posts: 877 Location: Cornwall, UK
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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 2:32 pm Post subject: |
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Cheers dude.
That's customer service |
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Scotty Samba Member
Joined: July 02, 2003 Posts: 1525 Location: Northampton - Uk
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 12:50 am Post subject: |
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52panelvan wrote: |
Is this an actual difference in the A pillar or just where the seal holding U section is welded to the pillar. I would have guessed the latter ? |
I'd say the former. I bet the ooutside looks the same on each bus, I bet it's the pillar that is slightly bigger _________________
EverettB wrote: |
I'd be curious to know the length of his tip.
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Bergepanzer Samba Member
Joined: May 21, 2008 Posts: 122
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 10:13 am Post subject: |
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Hi,
don´t panic. Please investigate first!
Here a pic of a NOS late A pillar in the area where you never see it from above ...
The profile made of two pressed halves is clearly visible here. Please don´t mind the bent flange. And for the newcomers: The outer windscreen frame is another panel folded and spot welded to the outer flanges. It is not part of the A pillar spare part!
So: Is the pre 53 A pillar really different? Or is - as also 52panelvan (Mark) already questioned - just the U profile for the door seal in a different position?
Just a proposal:
Is it like that?
90° angle on early ones?
125° on later ones?
Or just another door seal U profile position?
We all need a definite statement here.
Regards,
Jurgen |
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Drew Ogden Samba Member
Joined: February 19, 2004 Posts: 329 Location: Elbow Cay, Bahamas
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe these help. Crappy cell phone pics, but they show the lower portion.
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hugheseum Samba Member
Joined: February 11, 2004 Posts: 2690 Location: oregon
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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i took some time to measure (with a micrometer) the upper "a" pillar on my 52 kombi and matched them up in same spots to my 56 singlecab and i did find that the 52 pillar is wider than the later ones...............i only concentrated on the upper section right where the kink starts because its hot outside
so is this on the early 53s that still have the early style front window frames? _________________ Have a great day! |
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Bergepanzer Samba Member
Joined: May 21, 2008 Posts: 122
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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Great!
Thank you very much!
So we got it finally:
Regards,
Jurgen |
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