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dickie Samba Member
Joined: March 22, 2004 Posts: 275 Location: southern alberta
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Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 9:31 pm Post subject: Big mouth gas tanks |
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What years were the big mouth gas tanks used? and were they only installed in the beetles? |
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Bruce Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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The 100mm split tank was used on split dash cars. Then zwitters used the same tank but with a 60mm neck. After zwitters, ovals up to 55 used a tank similar to the earlier 100mm split tank. I say similar because they are different. _________________
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dickie Samba Member
Joined: March 22, 2004 Posts: 275 Location: southern alberta
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Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 10:02 pm Post subject: big mouth gas tanks |
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did they use the same tanks on the barndoor bus? I just found an untouched
54 beetle, and it has the same gas tank as my 56 euro spec sunroof, the same as the 57 beetle. The 54 also has snowflake lense tail lights, the same as on my 58. Some of these combo's seem to be odd. |
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Bruce Samba Member
Joined: May 16, 2003 Posts: 17273 Location: Left coast, Canada
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Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 11:56 pm Post subject: Re: big mouth gas tanks |
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dickie wrote: |
did they use the same tanks on the barndoor bus? |
No
dickie wrote: |
I just found an untouched 54 beetle, and it has the same gas tank as my 56 euro spec sunroof, the same as the 57 beetle. The 54 also has snowflake lense tail lights, the same as on my 58. Some of these combo's seem to be odd. |
What makes you think that a 56 year old car hasn't been modified during it's life? Your 54 most certainly has been updated. _________________
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Spanish Flea Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 7:22 am Post subject: |
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So a deluxe bug made in Aug. '52, should have the 100mm. with the pressing. _________________ Miami Vdubs
Alte Schule
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"Mr. Ford, i don't think what we are being offered here is worth a damn!" - Ernest Breech (On buying VW, March 1948) |
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dmp Samba Member
Joined: August 29, 2006 Posts: 39 Location: UK
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Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 8:16 am Post subject: |
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The filler neck reduced in size before the zwitters, at the end of July '52. It's covered here. |
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Spanish Flea Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 10:23 am Post subject: |
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dmp wrote: |
The filler neck reduced in size before the zwitters, at the end of July '52. It's covered here. |
dmp, thanks for the link.
Here is the info i pulled on that thread.
Fuel tank filling neck changed from 100 mm to 60 mm by chassis 1-0374199 on 29th of July 1952.
Then went to a 100 mm neck on 10th of March 1953, chassis 1-0454951.
Thanks,
Spanish Flea _________________ Miami Vdubs
Alte Schule
Rare Vintage Air
"Mr. Ford, i don't think what we are being offered here is worth a damn!" - Ernest Breech (On buying VW, March 1948)
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dickie Samba Member
Joined: March 22, 2004 Posts: 275 Location: southern alberta
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Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 2:59 pm Post subject: big mouth gas tanks |
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What makes me think it hasn't been modified in all these years? The previous owner has had it sitting in his field since the early 60's when they took out the tranny and engine to put into a dune buggy. So, given that the paint is all original, fenders and all, the red door panels are still on it, etc, I did assume that it hadn't been messed with. However, given the anomalies I will most certainly take a very close look again, and question the PO a bit more. Good point. |
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dickie Samba Member
Joined: March 22, 2004 Posts: 275 Location: southern alberta
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Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 3:30 pm Post subject: big mouth gas tanks |
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I will see if I can post a photo of the tank, and the car. Thanks. What is the link that you refer to? |
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Joshua B Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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There are two types of 100mm tanks as well. One with the "indention" tight around the filler neck, and the other that indents around the neck and then comes further out. I think the one with it tight around the neck is early 49 to zwitter and the wide indention is later 54-55. Or maybe they are different manufacturers???
KDF
Early
100mm small indention mid1949 to zwitter
Zwitter style
100mm large indention 1954-1955
Hump back style vertical ribs 1956-1960??
Humb back horizontal ribs 1956-1960?? or Ghia??
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Bruce Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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Spanish Flea wrote: |
Fuel tank filling neck changed from 100 mm to 60 mm by chassis 1-0374199 on 29th of July 1952.
Then went to a 80 mm neck on 10th of March 1953, chassis 1-0454951. |
No, in 53 it went back up to 100mm until 55. Then it went down to 80mm from 56 to 60. 61 and later was 70mm. _________________
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Spanish Flea Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:26 am Post subject: |
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Bruce wrote: |
Spanish Flea wrote: |
Fuel tank filling neck changed from 100 mm to 60 mm by chassis 1-0374199 on 29th of July 1952.
Then went to a 80 mm neck on 10th of March 1953, chassis 1-0454951. |
No, in 53 it went back up to 100mm until 55. Then it went down to 80mm from 56 to 60. 61 and later was 70mm. |
So in '53 it went to 100mm (hump back) tank. Right?
Spanish Flea
(i'll edit the above post.) _________________ Miami Vdubs
Alte Schule
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"Mr. Ford, i don't think what we are being offered here is worth a damn!" - Ernest Breech (On buying VW, March 1948) |
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dickie Samba Member
Joined: March 22, 2004 Posts: 275 Location: southern alberta
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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 8:55 pm Post subject: big mouth gas tanks |
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I take that to mean the opening size changed, but the tank style itself remained the same. Then going to 80mm opening and the humpback style tank in 56. Yes? The pics are really helpful! |
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Joshua B Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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It went from 100mm to 60mm opening with the 100 style body (zwitter) then back to 100mm opening and then to the 80mm humpback. |
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Spanish Flea Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 6:51 am Post subject: |
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Joshua B wrote: |
It went from 100mm to 60mm opening with the 100 style body (zwitter) then back to 100mm opening and then to the 80mm humpback. |
Ok, so looking at the above pix, i don't see a difference between the Early VS. Late 100mm.
What am i missing? What is the detail to look for?
Spanish Flea _________________ Miami Vdubs
Alte Schule
Rare Vintage Air
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Suboval Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 7:08 am Post subject: |
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Spanish Flea wrote: |
Joshua B wrote: |
It went from 100mm to 60mm opening with the 100 style body (zwitter) then back to 100mm opening and then to the 80mm humpback. |
Ok, so looking at the above pix, i don't see a difference between the Early VS. Late 100mm.
What am i missing? What is the detail to look for?
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The later has a pressing (indentation) around the fill neck.
_________________ It all works on paper.
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1.) History repeats itself.
2.) We don't learn from history. |
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Spanish Flea Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 10:28 am Post subject: |
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Thanks SubOval. learned something new today.
Good news is i have the correct small neck tank, wasn't worried about it but it was on my mind. Bad news, i just bought a late 100mm tank. But i got a good deal on it so i can flip it.
Spanish Flea _________________ Miami Vdubs
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Spanish Flea Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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What would the 60mm (zwitter) gas cap look like?
Spanish Flea _________________ Miami Vdubs
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Spanish Flea Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:21 am Post subject: |
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Spanish Flea wrote: |
What would the 60mm (zwitter) gas cap look like?
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Starting to feel like a asked a stupid question.
I know the later tanks mid 60's + used a 60mm cap. Are they the same?
Spanish Flea _________________ Miami Vdubs
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Louis Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:31 pm Post subject: |
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is the 54 55 gaz tank picture came with those dent? i am asking because mine has the same wavy front and the car never was accidented so i am wondering if that should be flat or wavy?
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