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PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 4:13 pm    Post subject: Master Cylinder correct bolt spacer and washers? Reply with quote

Hey guys, here is a picture of my MC bolts, spacers, and washers as they came out of the car. It seems like the washers are wrong but I can't find any pictures in any of the books (Bentley, Muir, etc). The manuals like to tell you to that installation is the reverse of removal but they assume it is assembled correctly when you start! Confused My setup has a split lockwasher on top of a wavy washer on top of the spacer. Anyone know the right washers to use?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My 56' Ghia has a split lock washer just like the one in your pic...No wavy washer. The car was parked since 78.' Hope that helps. -Russ
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Russ Smile I just put it in with both washers the way they came out. I figured it couldn't hurt to have both.

Since then I have tried to research this and the only documented information I found is in "Progressive Refinements" which says that on the 10th of December 1958 Type 2 brake master cylinders switched from being secured with studs and nuts to hex bolt and spring washer. That may not mean anything for type 1 though.

I put a picture of my installed dual MC in the "What did you do to your oval today" thread.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

that hollow spacer that the bolt passes through goes INSIDE the crossmember. A lot of folks lose those since they fall to the bottom of the crossmember when you pull out the master cylinder bolt all the way.

Send over some more pics and sorry if I misunderstood.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Schwing, that's a good point because it might explain why there are so many washers. The last guy who installed the MC probably couldn't decide between capturing the sheet metal around the spacer access hole and the (seemingly) stronger hold of the split lock washers. Although it may not be necessary, the split washers don't seem big enough around to adequately cover the access hole. I think the inside panel must give some lateral support to the back of the spacer even though the panel is not actually compressed by the bolt.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 4:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep exactly that hollow spacer/pipe is supposed to give more support in the crossember. Conveniently it's made out of steel so you can retrieve it with a magnet if it falls inside the crossmember. Also there should be one for each bolt. Good luck and glad I could help!
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Schwing wrote:
Conveniently it's made out of steel so you can retrieve it with a magnet if it falls inside the crossmember.


I need to try this. I have one original and one hacked piece or iron pipe.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Schwing wrote:
Conveniently it's made out of steel so you can retrieve it with a magnet if it falls inside the crossmember.


I need to try this. I have one original and one hacked piece or iron pipe.

You'll probably find 3 or 4 of them! Laughing
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