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jocoman Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2023 12:32 pm Post subject: Torque Converter codes |
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Hi Folks
I have been looking for a replacement torque Converter and I might have found one.
There is suppose to be a code stamped on one of the feet and should be the letter H or X.
The TC I have located appears to have the letter D stamped on it.
So, what does that mean? and do I have to keep looking . its for a 1986 Westfalia.
Txs _________________ '86 Westfalia 2.0L Zetec
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jocoman Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2023 2:02 pm Post subject: Re: Torque Converter codes |
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after some research, I found this thread.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...cHb1mPsltU
It suggests : there are basically 3 or 4 converters. 1750 (Type 4,) unknown ( Early Vanagon to March 27 1981 - D code,) 2400 (Early Vanagon including 1.9 wbx - Z code ) and 2700 (Late Vanagon with 2.1 wbx - H code.)
So can a D code TC be adjusted to an H code TC by the rebuilder?
Thanks for any help. _________________ '86 Westfalia 2.0L Zetec
'97 Volvo 850 AWD Turbo
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jocoman Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2023 7:15 pm Post subject: Re: Torque Converter codes |
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Anybody have insight?
Really need some guidance.
Thanks in advance _________________ '86 Westfalia 2.0L Zetec
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jlrftype7 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2023 7:23 pm Post subject: Re: Torque Converter codes |
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I’d ask Precision of New Hampton, they rebuild them, Samba members seem to recommend them.
https://gopnh.com/ _________________ '68 Westy- my first VW and vehicle/Bus- long gone.- sold it to a traveling Swiss couple....
'67 Type 3 Fastback, my 2nd car- gone
'69 Semi-Auto Stick Shift Beetle-gone
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jocoman Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2023 7:27 pm Post subject: Re: Torque Converter codes |
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Yes I was planning to call them tomorrow. I sure hope it's just a stall speed thing and they can set it correctly for a 2.1 _________________ '86 Westfalia 2.0L Zetec
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead
Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 16879 Location: sticksville, ct.
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Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2023 8:35 pm Post subject: Re: Torque Converter codes |
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jocoman wrote: |
Yes I was planning to call them tomorrow. I sure hope it's just a stall speed thing and they can set it correctly for a 2.1 |
it is a stall speed thing
i don't have any books in front of me but I know they cover it in the bentley _________________
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Wildthings Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2023 1:04 am Post subject: Re: Torque Converter codes |
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I don't know if the "D" TC can be modified, but you will have noticeably poorer performance if you use it without modification. From memory the "H" and "Z" torque converters have a 350 rpm higher stall speed than the "D" converters. No clue what the difference between the "H" and "Z" converters is. |
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jocoman Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2023 5:56 am Post subject: Re: Torque Converter codes |
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This is what Bentley has to say:
Converter code letter :
D-up to build date 3/27/81
Z-3181 to 7/85
H-From 8/85
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Torque converter with code letter Z has
a modified impeller and turbine vanes
and can be installed in earlier vehicles.
So can I use a D converter in an 86 if I can adjust the stall speed? It would not have the modified impeller and turbine vanes. Txs _________________ '86 Westfalia 2.0L Zetec
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jlrftype7 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2023 12:41 pm Post subject: Re: Torque Converter codes |
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jocoman wrote: |
This is what Bentley has to say:
Converter code letter :
D-up to build date 3/27/81
Z-3181 to 7/85
H-From 8/85
Note
Torque converter with code letter Z has
a modified impeller and turbine vanes
and can be installed in earlier vehicles.
So can I use a D converter in an 86 if I can adjust the stall speed? It would not have the modified impeller and turbine vanes. Txs |
Again, an actual rebuilder would be the best person/business to say, so, let us know what Precision says about it. I can only say with experience, if the wrong torque converter is installed, esp a lower stall speed version into a higher rated transmission with no modifications, just a drop in, you are not a happy camper.
What I also wonder is converting the stall speed of the internals greatly raises a rebuild price, or not. that too would be nice to know... _________________ '68 Westy- my first VW and vehicle/Bus- long gone.- sold it to a traveling Swiss couple....
'67 Type 3 Fastback, my 2nd car- gone
'69 Semi-Auto Stick Shift Beetle-gone
2017 MINI Coopers, our current DDs
‘84 Tin Top - Hilga....Auto |
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead
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Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2023 2:22 pm Post subject: Re: Torque Converter codes |
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i just looked in ETKA for an 81. the converter listed is a "Z" which tells me you don't want to use the one you have
the p/n is 090323571 X with the X meaning they want a core. so the Z is clearly an upgrade.
rule of thumb is stall speed should be 500-700 RPM below the engine RPM at peak torque _________________
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jocoman Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2023 2:43 pm Post subject: Re: Torque Converter codes |
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Thanks everyone. I may still need to continue to search for this unicorn. See what PNH says tomorrow..... _________________ '86 Westfalia 2.0L Zetec
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