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akcapsamb Samba Member
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SkooobaSteve Samba Member
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a.wilson Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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Jonathan, thanks for the close up photos in your other topic, showing fiber card board trim strips and sewing details..
Pretty cool to come across a NOS example. This will be helpful for using as a pattern for future references.
Yeah the 3 bow count sounds about right (if I recall correctly). HFOAIE on the third page mentioned they were..
In another somewhat related thread.. Danpa had found a source in the UK for these partial roof center headliners, although were 4-Bow instead of 3. (plus according to their ad, are made with perforated vinyl.. but could make one with other materials on request). |
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SkooobaSteve Samba Member
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glutamodo The Android
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Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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Its too bad there was no VW part number sticker on that box! |
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SkooobaSteve Samba Member
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19super73 Hardcore Stock Nazi
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glutamodo The Android
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Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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Hard to say what the part number would have been. The 110 designation was USA (and Canada I think) only in 1975, but the partial headliner was also used in 1200 models and it could very well be the same headliner part number on the 110..
The only readily available VW parts book from the 70s is from the beginning of model year 1972... and looking in there I see part number 111 867 501E for the headliner on 111 and 112 models starting in 8/71. |
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19super73 Hardcore Stock Nazi
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HFOAIE Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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glutamodo wrote: |
Hard to say what the part number would have been. The 110 designation was USA (and Canada I think) only in 1975, but the partial headliner was also used in 1200 models and it could very well be the same headliner part number on the 110..
The only readily available VW parts book from the 70s is from the beginning of model year 1972... and looking in there I see part number 111 867 501E for the headliner on 111 and 112 models starting in 8/71. |
Volkswagen part numbers were based on the model on which they were first used. That's why '68 & later Bug headlight rings carry the part number 311; they were first used on type 3's. And a great deal of part numbers on parts for "deluxe" Bugs start with 111 because these parts are shared with "standard" Bugs. The 110 Basic Bug would have used the "standard" 111 headliner from Europe which was first used on a 111 for 1972, so 111 is the correct number for a 110 headliner. I'm not so sure if there were any parts on a 110 that would have actually carried a 110 part number; maybe the dash pad. While I'm on the subject, the plastic clips which hold the interior door panels in place carry a 211 part number. I believe they were first used on the type 2 double cab. |
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Stephen Paul Hardy Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2016 7:55 am Post subject: Re: 1975 Basic Bug 110 |
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Thank you for all the really useful and informative information given in this string of postings folks. I have signposted readers to them from http://www.sebeetles.com/rs005/ |
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Danpa Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2016 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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HFOAIE wrote: |
glutamodo wrote: |
Hard to say what the part number would have been. The 110 designation was USA (and Canada I think) only in 1975, but the partial headliner was also used in 1200 models and it could very well be the same headliner part number on the 110..
The only readily available VW parts book from the 70s is from the beginning of model year 1972... and looking in there I see part number 111 867 501E for the headliner on 111 and 112 models starting in 8/71. |
Volkswagen part numbers were based on the model on which they were first used. That's why '68 & later Bug headlight rings carry the part number 311; they were first used on type 3's. And a great deal of part numbers on parts for "deluxe" Bugs start with 111 because these parts are shared with "standard" Bugs. The 110 Basic Bug would have used the "standard" 111 headliner from Europe which was first used on a 111 for 1972, so 111 is the correct number for a 110 headliner. I'm not so sure if there were any parts on a 110 that would have actually carried a 110 part number; maybe the dash pad. While I'm on the subject, the plastic clips which hold the interior door panels in place carry a 211 part number. I believe they were first used on the type 2 double cab. |
I believe TMI now sells these kind of headliners, listed as center section European style.
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HFOAIE Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 10:41 pm Post subject: Re: 1975 Basic Bug 110 |
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There's something that probably needs to be clarified for people who are not intimately familiar with Volkswagens. When we say there was no flow-through ventilation in the Basic 110, that is almost entirely separate from the heating system. The government required the heater to be there. In the dashboard, for our purposes here, the heating vents are the two in the side corners and one in the center. In "deluxe" Bugs, the two systems were interconnected by hoses behind the dashboard. Flow-through ventilation was for fresh air to flow through the car. Up front, it consisted of the vent on top of the front hood, the air box under that, two interior vents on top of the dashboard directly in front of the driver and passenger, and two control knobs under the radio. In the back were crescent shaped vents in back of each side rear window. All this stuff is missing on a Basic 110. A few further important details are in the metal of the body itself. The small bracket to mount the lower side of the air box is not there. The hole behind the gas tank for the air box drain is not there. The mounting brackets for the adjusting mechanism are not there. The holes in the sheet metal dashboard for the knob axes to come through are not there. The holes in the sheet metal for the two inside vents at the top of the dash are not there. At the back, the holes inside the car for the air to exit are not there. And of course, outside, there are no holes cut in the sheet metal. |
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HFOAIE Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2017 10:34 pm Post subject: Re: 1975 Basic Bug 110 |
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Something else which hasn't been specified here: Those three colors on the Basic 110 (red, yellow, blue) were more deep, more intense than the colors used on more expensive Bugs. It makes them easier to spot, and probably easier to sell back when they were new. |
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VW_Jimbo Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2017 12:03 am Post subject: Re: dash pad |
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75VW110 wrote: |
anyone come across a source for the dash pad for these bugs? |
Found one on eBay several months ago for 125.00! Take a look and be patient.
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Stephen Paul Hardy Samba Member
Joined: December 27, 2014 Posts: 18 Location: Dorset, England
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 12:15 am Post subject: Re: 1975 Basic Bug 110 |
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Thank you for all the excellent information in this discussion thread (and others on the subject posted on this site) from a European perspective this 1975 year only model has several significant connections including the "ancestry" connections to the further reduction in specification of the 1200cc Sparkaefer (Spartan Beetle) for the 1975 model year in Europe, unusual "hybrid" 1300cc model imported into the UK for 1975 etc., https://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/lit/1_75_bug_german/5.jpg
In particular akcapsamb your very detailed entry Sept 22, 2010 and further posts that resulted from it is very helpful.
The references to M149 are a moment for me. This option number does not appear on the factory production computer print outs for the Special Editions because it is already an implicit component of the relevant "S" option package. (see examples here https://www.jeansbeetles.com/modele%201974%20english.htm)
I discuss the significance here which separately correlates comments made in the excellent posting already mentioned above http://www.sebeetles.com/rs005/
and similarly correlatig comments about where VW found themselves in the mid 1970s the additional information in respect of the US market, price tag hikes etc all add reinforcing dimensions http://www.sebeetles.com/the-special-edition-beetl...970-1979/.
Finally a question: have any more photos - especially of Model 110 when new come to light? |
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SilverThing Samba Member
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2018 5:06 pm Post subject: Re: 1975 Basic Bug 110 |
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I have a 110 that I currently use as my daily driver, but I plan to restore in the future. It is a Africa Red (Senegalrot), California model (dash speaker panel says 'unleaded only' and the fuel filler has the unleaded restrictor, but it didn't have a catalytic converter when I got it). It was built in January of 1975. It came with a dealer installed AM radio.
My window rubbers have been replaced with the exception of the doors and they look like they will need replacement again here in the future. Are the window rubbers supposed to have the channel for trim (black) or were they without the channel?
Did the center tunnel have the felt-like material covering it or was the tunnel bare? Mine was bare when I got it, but I can't tell if it was always that way or not. Is there a good source of that material?
Did the badge on the engine lid say 'Volkswagen' or did it say 'Fuel Injected'? I have a black 'Fuel Injected' badge in my stash of spare parts, but thought I would double check. The badge that was on the car when I got it is an aluminum 'Volkswagen'
Does the cardboard front trunk liner interchange with any other models? Mine isn't in the greatest shape so I was wondering if there is a good replacement out there.
What kind of black was used on the trim pieces? Was it glossy, semi-gloss, or flat? The finish has worn off most of my trim (headlights, signals, bumpers, etc).
Was the exhaust pipe black?
What color was the vinyl that went on the houndstooth seats (ie the sides, back, and headrest)? I assume it was black. I'm looking into having new covers made for my seats (my seats were recovered in the past with basket weave).
Thanks!
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HFOAIE Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:51 pm Post subject: Re: 1975 Basic Bug 110 |
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Window rubbers have no channel for chrome.
The felt covers front and rear of the tunnel, but not under the handbrake.
The decklid badge says fuel injected.
Trunk liner doesn't interchange with anything else.
Trim was flat black.
When my father bought my Basic 110 at less than 2 years old, the exhaust pipe was already rusty.
The vinyl is basically semi-gloss. |
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HFOAIE Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:59 pm Post subject: Re: 1975 Basic Bug 110 |
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You (Stephen Paul Hardy) seem to be implying that the Basic 110 is a special edition. It is the opposite of a special edition.
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glutamodo The Android
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 10:05 pm Post subject: Re: 1975 Basic Bug 110 |
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Ha, yeah, sort of an "unspecial edition" lol. _________________ Andy T.
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