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RussellK Samba Member
Joined: March 09, 2006 Posts: 225
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Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 7:24 am Post subject: Meyle Drag Link |
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Has anyone made a recent purchase of a Meyle Drag Link for a late bay? I installed one on mine and the fit doesn't seem right. Both ends have similar problems. Bolt diameter is okay, the same as original. The length of the ends is .5" longer that the original. I measured my original drag link against the replacement with a micrometer and the replacement is definitely larger moving up the taper. It looks to me like the taper may be incorrect. As a result the drag link doesn't appear to be seating correctly. After torquing to spec, between the boot and arm I have around 3/8" of the stub showing and a 1/4" of thread inside the barrel of the arm. I called the vendor and they said they had other complaints about the fit and Meyle said not to worry about the gaps between the boots and the arms as long as the thread is not in the barrel which mine is. They offered a replacement which I received yesterday and after installing last night the fit still seems wrong. I'm going to contact the vendor again but I'm curious if anyone else has had this and what the outcome was. _________________ -Russ
'77 Westphalia
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aeromech Samba Member
Joined: January 24, 2006 Posts: 16971 Location: San Diego, California
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Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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I installed one in a 1971 a couple weeks ago. They are the same part up to 1979 I believe. Anyway, I had zero installation problems. Removal was a bitch though. The aft one popped right out with my air hammer but the front one really sucked getting it out. I finally cut off both sides of the bolt going through the pitman arm, then heated it with my torch after drilling out the center. It finally popped out with a drift. On top of that I had rust from behind the front bumper falling in my eyes ever time I smacked it. To top it off... the homeless guy who was living in the van started crying about only having $40 to live on for the rest of the month so I think all in all I made about $6 on the job. I did however feel pretty good afterwards for helping the old guy. Boy his van stunk bad. I hated even touching the steering wheel. _________________ Lead Mechanic: San Diego Air and Space Museum
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sped372 Samba Member
Joined: March 30, 2006 Posts: 653 Location: Waunakee, WI
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Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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First time I've heard of someone changing the drag link as home repair. _________________ 1971 Karmann Ghia - 1600 DP
1984 Westfalia - 1.9 WBX |
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aeromech Samba Member
Joined: January 24, 2006 Posts: 16971 Location: San Diego, California
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Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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sped372 wrote: |
First time I've heard of someone changing the drag link as home repair. |
I'm just glad I didn't have to work on his plumbing... _________________ Lead Mechanic: San Diego Air and Space Museum
Licensed Airframe and Powerplant Mechanic
Licensed Pilot (Single engine Land)
Boeing 727,737-200-300-400,757,767
Airbus A319,320,321
DC9/MD80
BAe146
Fokker F28/F100
VW type 1 1962,63,65,69,72
VW Type 2 1971 (3 ea.) 1978, 1969
VW Jetta
VW Passat
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rcnotes Samba Member
Joined: July 09, 2005 Posts: 641 Location: Ann Arbor, MI
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Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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Yep. Working on a stinkfoot's bus can be very intense.
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I installed one in a 1971 a couple weeks ago. They are the same part up to 1979 I believe. Anyway, I had zero installation problems. Removal was a bitch though. The aft one popped right out with my air hammer but the front one really sucked getting it out. I finally cut off both sides of the bolt going through the pitman arm, then heated it with my torch after drilling out the center. It finally popped out with a drift. On top of that I had rust from behind the front bumper falling in my eyes ever time I smacked it. To top it off... the homeless guy who was living in the van started crying about only having $40 to live on for the rest of the month so I think all in all I made about $6 on the job. I did however feel pretty good afterwards for helping the old guy. Boy his van stunk bad. I hated even touching the steering wheel. |
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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we replaced one with a Meyle. There is a thread on it. The ends torqued in Ok but the sockets had more play new than a used one. Steering was awful. We returned it and bought one locally from Bugformance that was made in Italy and went by the brand of OCAP. It had very little play and helped the steering quite a bit. Works great.
Here is what I wrote at the time:
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picked up the OCAP drag link. Definitely Italian made in Italy's steel auto capital. Pulled the old one - dust boots read "Meyle - Germany." Was supposed to have been Nakata they shipped me, receipt says as much too. Oh well, Meyle was supposed to be good but the good news is most of the excessive freeplay is gone and we are down to what I would consider normal. Center pin still rocks but not as much. I am thinking that the drag link ends being too loose also allowed the link to rotate too far and put a little upwards pressure on the arm - like a lever pushing up instead of stud just pushing sideways. Pin still lifts too much but definitely it is a static improvement. Whether it turns into a dynamic improvement on the highway we will let you know later. I will go back and correct "Nakata" to "Meyle."
The OCAP link is much heavier and more robust in diameter as well. The end that adjusts is like a tie rod clamp rather than a lock nut.
Colin - what you are describing is exactly what we have been experiencing with this bus. I would agree that it is not self centering, quite the oppisite as you describe, and as DBM describes the steering lags the wheel like a glider lags controls. That is a good analogy. |
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504 Samba Member
Joined: February 03, 2010 Posts: 136 Location: New Orleans
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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 9:45 am Post subject: |
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Any update on current drag link options? I need to order one, seems most of the ones available are Meyle, GS has Febi (brazil) and there are a few nameless brazilian ones, and I found one Lemforder but its more expensive than the Febi.
Anyone use these recently with any suggestions? Is Febi or Lemforder worth the extra $? |
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germansupplyscott Samba Member
Joined: May 22, 2004 Posts: 7093 Location: toronto
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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 9:55 am Post subject: |
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504 wrote: |
Is Febi or Lemforder worth the extra $? |
yes i think so. not just because we sell that one. The one we have now is Lemforder. _________________ SL
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aeromech Samba Member
Joined: January 24, 2006 Posts: 16971 Location: San Diego, California
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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 9:55 am Post subject: |
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I installed a Meyle into a 1971 bus and it seems to be fine, no issues. _________________ Lead Mechanic: San Diego Air and Space Museum
Licensed Airframe and Powerplant Mechanic
Licensed Pilot (Single engine Land)
Boeing 727,737-200-300-400,757,767
Airbus A319,320,321
DC9/MD80
BAe146
Fokker F28/F100
VW type 1 1962,63,65,69,72
VW Type 2 1971 (3 ea.) 1978, 1969
VW Jetta
VW Passat
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TheShane Samba Member
Joined: September 19, 2008 Posts: 356 Location: Lexington, Ky
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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 10:06 am Post subject: |
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I but a Meyle brand drag link in my Bus about 200-300 miles ago. It is already loosening up, I can hear a slight "pop" coming from it. Wonder how long until its a violent "pop", just like the one I replaced.
I'd get anything but Meyle. _________________ '78 Sunroof Bus
Central KY VW Club
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I suppose that's what happens when one drives a passion wagon, which comes factory-fitted with a double bed. |
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504 Samba Member
Joined: February 03, 2010 Posts: 136 Location: New Orleans
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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 10:07 am Post subject: |
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I'm thinking an extra $30 is not that much compared to the amount of time I have invested in this front end.
Thanks for the input |
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420GOAT Samba Member
Joined: March 31, 2006 Posts: 3343 Location: Wilmington, CA on a nice quiet street but still in the 'hood
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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 10:09 am Post subject: |
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made in Turkey or isreal. _________________ once you realize im not impressed we will get along just fine |
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Bloog Samba Member
Joined: April 11, 2007 Posts: 484 Location: Over yonder
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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 10:10 am Post subject: |
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Alot of the "German" Meyle stuff I've been seeing is made in either India, Turkey, or China. Go figure...
Don't assume that because you're purchasing a trusted German manufacturer's name that it's still produced there.
Those days are gone. _________________
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atmellovw Samba Member
Joined: September 05, 2006 Posts: 1652 Location: Minnesota
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Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 1:18 pm Post subject: |
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So, I have the same situation as the OP upon installing my new drag link yesterday? Does anybody have any further info on this issue with the Meyle? _________________ 1972 Westy ("Bubbles") - Pastel White - 1700(1974 MT) - Dual Solex |
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RatCamper Samba Member
Joined: November 13, 2008 Posts: 3305 Location: Australia
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Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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Hope that homeless guy wasn't actually driving anywhere. $40 is maybe half a tank of fuel or a bag of groceries. Tough choice to make.
Not looking forward to when these things start to fail on mine. Thankfully besides the old steering box there has been nothing wrong with the front end... besides the front shocks not really working for the last decade or so. Huge pain when I cant get a straight answer with what will actually fit! Shocks are way too expensive an item to order then discover they don't fit. _________________ Vehicle: 1975 Special order delivery walkthrough panel based pop-top camper (LCA / Sunliner). Motor: Nippon 1.8L Single port Wasserboxer, Transmission: 3 rib 002. |
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Jockomo Samba Member
Joined: October 11, 2006 Posts: 163 Location: Lafayette, LA
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 9:18 am Post subject: |
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Nice. Found this thread after receiving my new meyle drag link.
However I can't even seem to get the old one of to install the new one.
The front end of the link will not come out of the pitman arm.
I've destroyed a new one of these:0
http://www.harborfreight.com/3-4-quarter-inch-forged-ball-point-joint-separator-99849.html
trying to separate the joint. Stripped the threads and also mushroomed the end of the bolt.
Aeromech's story makes me think the old one is not looking so bad, however now I've put a hole in the rubber with a picklefork and I did manage to get it to budge a few millimeters so now it's not seated as it was.
Any more suggestions to getting this one out? Keep banging on the picklefork?
Even if I do manage to get the old one off, will the new one be as difficult to put in? _________________ '75 Westy with '78 2.0L engine. |
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regalasr Samba Member
Joined: August 25, 2002 Posts: 743 Location: Los Angeles
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 11:15 am Post subject: |
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Feelin you. Get another pitman arm from Busted Bus? |
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ccpalmer Samba Member
Joined: September 17, 2006 Posts: 3850 Location: Ann Arbor, Michigan
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kevin77westy Samba Member
Joined: November 12, 2004 Posts: 795 Location: Ocean Springs, MS
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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I use a tie rod puller that I got from aircooled.net.
http://vwparts.aircooled.net/Tie-Rod-End-Puller-18-25mm-p/7080.htm
Looks alot like this:
Its kinda pricey (was $50 when I bought mine a few ys back but is closer to $70 now) but makes these jobs soooo easy and well worth the money. I can't tell you how may times I have used it on mine and friends' VWs even my old GMC pickup. It is a sturdy, well made tool. I just replaced my 77 bus drag link with ac.net's drag link last week and it was a smooth job. The front joint took more force than the rear one but it popped right out after a few turns on the puller. Really helped my steering that had been loose for yrs. Can't believe I actuallyhad gotten use to the that steering and put it off for so long.
That being said, have you tried a bigger hammer? Usually helps to have a little more umph |
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surfbus23 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2018 9:11 am Post subject: Re: Meyle Drag Link |
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Went to install my new Febi drag link and seem to have run into a similar problem?
I installed it and tightened down to torque and this is what it looks like. Notice the space between the boot and the union.
Is this acceptable? |
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