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syncrogreg Samba Member
Joined: November 08, 2009 Posts: 742 Location: USA (Nashville TN)
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Signalocity Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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I'll give you heaps of credit and admiration on this build, but it's well known that the transaxle is the syncro weak point and high-output engines have proven their demise time and time again. No matter how much you build up the transaxle, it still tops out at what, 150 ft. lb. torque max to use and maintain reliability? Whats the EE20, 250 ft. lb.? Not to mention slugging it through some pretty hard terrain. You can't really fault AA on this one. |
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Birdcage Samba Member
Joined: November 06, 2013 Posts: 203 Location: Collins of fort
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Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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Doesn't matter what engines installed apparently, I've talked to four people recently all with different engines and all with LOW mileage trans issues.
Guess what shop is the common denominator
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syncrogreg Samba Member
Joined: November 08, 2009 Posts: 742 Location: USA (Nashville TN)
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Signalocity Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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I'm sad that Matt offered me a deal this morning to help me out after 30mn on the phome @ $2 /mn . And later on in the day her wife send me a email and tells me that this is not possible le anymore.
Just disappointed about the roller coaster.
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Ah, I get what you're saying, and that would be frustrating. I don't know what cost on one is, but one would hope they would send it out for that and the cost of shipping. What is a little time and effort invested vs. keeping a high profile rig on the trail. I hope it gets sorted out for you. |
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insyncro Banned
Joined: March 07, 2002 Posts: 15086 Location: New York
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Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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buspor63 Samba Member
Joined: February 17, 2005 Posts: 1179 Location: Knoxville,TN Where America stops for gas
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Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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Looks and sounds like a great adventure . Something I see thats really cool, he has his Tennessee plate on. As and East Tennesseean, makes me proud. _________________ Imagine that, theres not an "h" in either Westfalia or Syncro? |
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Steve M. Samba Member
Joined: July 30, 2013 Posts: 6829 Location: Fort Lauderdale, Fl.
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Greg just make ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN YOUR SHIPPING FORMATION IS PERFECT FOR THE PART SHIPPING INTO BUENOS ARIES. THE CUSTOMS OFFICE THERE AT THE AIRPORT IS TERRIBLE in more ways than one. Ask the locals about it.
(from personal experience - there is $5600.00 of electronics sitting there on a shelf somewhere I couldn't get through customs or ship back to vendor.)
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kustomizingkid Samba Member
Joined: October 16, 2014 Posts: 142 Location: Minneapolis, MN
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Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2015 6:00 am Post subject: |
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From talking to motorcycle guys who have tried to get parts I would want that shaft coming on an airplane, in a private parties luggage. No way I would trust shipping, not on something that delicate and spendy.
$yncro love. |
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ALIKA T3 Samba Member
Joined: July 30, 2009 Posts: 6351 Location: Honolulu,Hawaii and France
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?Waldo? Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2006 Posts: 9752 Location: Where?
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Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2015 11:58 am Post subject: |
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Wouldn't the input shaft have a threaded hole in the shown end? |
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crazyvwvanman Samba Member
Joined: January 28, 2008 Posts: 9923 Location: Orbiting San Diego
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Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2015 12:01 pm Post subject: |
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Agreed, that looks like a snapped off input shaft still screwed to the end of the mainshaft. Of course VW calls the input shaft a mainshaft so that could cause some confusion. A snapped input shaft is a $50-100 part, not $1000. The true mainshaft is expensive these days.
If it was simply a snapped input shaft that part could have been replaced without disassembling the tranny.
There are some special versions of the input shaft made to twist and spring back under severe loading. Perhaps one of those is called for.
edit:After another look it might be the whole input shaft with the snapped end of the mainshaft rather than the other way around. That makes more sense considering the parties involved.
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furrylittleotter Samba Member
Joined: May 19, 2008 Posts: 1506 Location: West Seattle
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Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2015 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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Greg and Katie, sorry you are broken down, that is a lot of torque for ANY transmission, let alone a Syncro.
Sorry there was back and forth on the shaft price but glad you are keeping spirits up.
DO NOT SHIP THAT SHAFT. I give it 1:100 odds of getting to you unless you have someone personally deliver it. THe good news is I am free next week if you need my help.
Take it low and slow home.
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There are some special versions of the input shaft made to twist and spring back under severe loading. Perhaps one of those is called for.
Mark |
Mark, you amaze me once again with the fountain of Vanagon information you possess.
If you ever decide to write a book for the rest of us idiots I'll buy 3 copies.
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?Waldo? Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2006 Posts: 9752 Location: Where?
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Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2015 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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crazyvwvanman wrote: |
Agreed, that looks like a snapped off input shaft still screwed to the end of the mainshaft. |
That would be another twist to the roller-coaster.
crazyvwvanman wrote: |
There are some special versions of the input shaft made to twist and spring back under severe loading. Perhaps one of those is called for. |
Any further info/source/link? I'd be interested. |
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crazyvwvanman Samba Member
Joined: January 28, 2008 Posts: 9923 Location: Orbiting San Diego
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Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2015 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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I edited my post above right after I wrote it. It looks more like the end of the mainshaft snapped off and is still attached to the input shaft by the small threaded stud.
I've seen the torsional input shaft listed various places. Here is one for the shorter shaft Vanagon applications, VW inline 4 diesel and gas.
Mark
Our Weddle Racing input shafts are much more effective at dampening shock loads than the stock VW input shafts, and they work to significantly reduce stresses in the transmission and drivetrain. This can make a huge difference in the longevity of components, especially in high performance applications. Each shaft is manufactured from custom-spec ultra high quality 300M steel, through-hardened, and shot peened to maximize strength and fatigue resistance.
091-311-105AHD
WEDDLE RACING TORSIONAL 300M INPUT SHAFT FOR VW TYPE 2, SHORT SNOUT (287MM OVERALL LENGTH)
This is a short snout input shaft. For use with Type 1 air-cooled and inline 4 cylinder engines (including diesel). Also works with most engine adapter plate packages. Will work with Type 4 engine if pilot bearing is installed in flywheel instead of crank.
Applications:
'68-'79 VW Type 2, '80-'83 Vanagon (Air Cooled), '84+ Vanagon (Water Cooled) |
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?Waldo? Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2006 Posts: 9752 Location: Where?
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Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2015 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the link. I now also understand what I see in the pic. |
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insyncro Banned
Joined: March 07, 2002 Posts: 15086 Location: New York
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Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2015 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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I would abandon "stock" parts for this application.
Many I have talked too about this are surprised it went as far as it did.
I hope MReuter sees this. |
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ALIKA T3 Samba Member
Joined: July 30, 2009 Posts: 6351 Location: Honolulu,Hawaii and France
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Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2015 12:09 am Post subject: |
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I spoke to Greg, he's getting a mainshaft from Weddle, it's cheaper.
I made him a list of things he will need too, clips, pinion bearing nut etc...
I made a how-to on the french forum he can look at,but it seems he's gonna look for a shop to do it. I'd keep an eye on them and do most of it myself...
Hey brah, fly me over, I'll fix it up and bring the tools and parts _________________ Silicone Steering Boots and 930 Cv boots for sale in the classifieds.
Syncro transmission upgrade parts in the Classifieds.
Subaru EJ22+UN1 5 speed transmission
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=416343
Syncro http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4...num+gadget |
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Jon_slider Samba Member
Joined: April 11, 2007 Posts: 5091 Location: Santa Cruz, Crowdifornia
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Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2015 9:34 am Post subject: |
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EE20 torque 258 ft lbs
H6 3.0 torque 210 ft lbs
SVX 3.3 torque 238 ft lbs
hans j and syncrodoka, do not use engine braking in granny or reverse, and have had no broken trannies.. _________________ My Soapboxes: Inflation; Handling; Gearing; Decoupling; Swepco |
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insyncro Banned
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Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2015 9:52 am Post subject: |
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Drivers break transmissions, not engines |
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