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fredn
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| I hate to quote myself and all, but....... wrote: |
| This is gonna be a cool thread and all, but what is the general fixation with the Subaru Diesel? |
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Who cares? What is the fixation with the Vanagon?
People have interests and hobbies. He wants a challenge. Maybe the 1.8T is too easy for him. Vanagon hobbies are rarely logical.
If he has the skills and wants to be the first that deserves respect.
It's like asking a vangaon owner, why are you doing all this work? why don't you just buy something new? Because I don't want to.
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BlackDogVan
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I heard there are some dudes in Boston putting ford engines in Vanagons!! Why would they try something new when there are good options already done... And don't get me started on this whole T...D...I... thing  Some people are just nutz...
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Volksaholic
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| This is gonna be a cool thread and all, but what is the general fixation with the Subaru Diesel? I know that people have had lots of success with the EJ- and the H-6 motors that Subaru makes, but a first year diesel? |
I would have to read up again on some of the other conversions, but what I like about the Subaru engines is that they are horizontally opposed, which makes for a pretty clean fit in the Vanagon engine bay. I wouldn't want to use a first-year design either, but I'm excited to see this put into action. There's certainly nothing wrong with some of the other mature conversion alternatives, but I'm very pleased with the Subaru boxer fit and performance.
pd
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dhesq
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| I hate to quote myself and all, but....... wrote: |
| This is gonna be a cool thread and all, but what is the general fixation with the Subaru Diesel? |
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| I have owned my bug since new and you have not, which gives me more right to ownership than you. |
What does this even mean?
More right to ownership ... wtf?  |
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Destructo
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He's doing it because he wants to and because he can. 
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dhesq
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This is gonna be a cool thread and all, but what is the general fixation with the Subaru Diesel? I know that people have had lots of success with the EJ- and the H-6 motors that Subaru makes, but a first year diesel? There were some comments earlier in the thread about VW having the small diesel engine refined to a point that it is worth it to use for a conversion. Case in point, there is a guy in Canada that takes a diesel 1.8T and the gearbox and throws them into Dodge Caravans. Claims to get 57 miles to the Imperial Gallon. Not bad. Aren't the Subaru diesels CAN-Bus? I mean, is there going to be a lot of workarounds? Doesn't CAN-Bus use line capitance in addition to signals within the line? I mean, I love a challenge as much as the next guy, but the use Subaru diesel in this conversion seems to just be for the "cool" factor instead of "function", as no-one knows how this engine performs in any situation yet. Just sayin'....
Following with Ferver in Milwaukee! Good Luck!
Here is that crazy Canadian doing VW into Dodge that isn't Ben
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syncrogreg
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Isn't it right around 2" that the "mustache bar" has to be moved aft when using the SC engine mount with an EJ22/EJ25? That seems about perfect for using the stock rear engine hanger in the stock location, if that's preferable to using the stock Subaru mount points.
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yeah, close to 2.5in ... I won't mind build my own bracket that screw on the subaru factory mounts. I will see what is the best setup. Don't forget that I have a turbo sticking ou there so using the original VW bar is maybe not the simplest 
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Volksaholic
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Isn't it right around 2" that the "mustache bar" has to be moved aft when using the SC engine mount with an EJ22/EJ25? That seems about perfect for using the stock rear engine hanger in the stock location, if that's preferable to using the stock Subaru mount points.
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syncrogreg
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ftp2leta
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Interesting thread, interesting image.
The engine to harness main connector as the same shape as most subi engine:
I wish you good luck with the FI management system, i'm still struggling with the atmospheric 2.5L FI. Good thing that you have the key/IGN/box. Count your hours and $$$ invested in that project, i'm very curious.
Have fun! I mean it in a good way. I lost the fun part of my job/engine conversion a wile ago.
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ALIKA T3
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Herman style  |
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syncrogreg
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Thanks everybody!! I like positive
While I'm wainting for my engine I have to keep me busy...
I cutted with the cnc machine each end of my bumper so they fit perfectly then permanently welded each side. I ordered elbow to do the upper part of the bull bar and caps for the sides. I used an other roof rack that was messed up to extand mine.
Also, because I like to do two things in the same time to don't have to wait to much when I order parts, I started to modify the front overhead roof rack such a way that a spare tire will fit and also will match the Fiamma extended awning 11'8" on the side .
Because the roof is conical shaped I had to do some longitudinal cut and use the flex of the fiberglass to make matching surfaces. I thinks It's gonna look ok. I picked up this modification from a Canadian friend that did it.
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Christopher Schimke
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Yeah, cool build!
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HeftySmurf
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Impressive!
I am jealous
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big swifty
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Talent! Following this build.
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BlackDogVan
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Really looking forward to watching this project! Good for you for going for what YOU want.
Any idea if some or all of the existing bellhousing / mount bits will work? Clutch / flywheel options? |
No idea yet about the bellhousing! What I know is Subaru kept designing the same patern for 20+ years and I doubt they changed the design. I will see and build my own if it's needed  . For the clutch and flywheel it's too early  to talk about it.
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Ya, kinda early. IF you start thinking about your flywheel, be sure to use a diesel specific flywheel even if it screws up things like the easiest clutch or bellhousing option. Anything less than the stock mass which i'm sure is about 20-25lbs & it'll idle rough. I guess that sounds obvious but... I sure hope Subi isn't doing the dual mass FW thing.
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Volksaholic
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That is SO COOL... thanks for sharing. This is something I'm very interested in. Are you comfortable telling us approximately how much the engine cost?
BTW: Very nice work on the rust repair and welding. That's going to be one sweet van when you're done with it!
Paul
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syncrogreg
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Really looking forward to watching this project! Good for you for going for what YOU want.
Any idea if some or all of the existing bellhousing / mount bits will work? Clutch / flywheel options? |
No idea yet about the bellhousing! What I know is Subaru kept designing the same patern for 20+ years and I doubt they changed the design. I will see and build my own if it's needed . For the clutch and flywheel it's too early to talk about it.
GSB
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BlackDogVan
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Really looking forward to watching this project! Good for you for going for what YOU want.
Any idea if some or all of the existing bellhousing / mount bits will work? Clutch / flywheel options?
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