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Wildthings
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 Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2019 9:58 am Post subject: Re: Steering Coupling Disc 211415417 (coupler) |
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One thing to watch with any coupler
Make sure you understand where the bolts/nut come under tension, that is, what are they hitting as you reach final torque. A rubber parts will relax and give up its tension which will let a conventional bolt nut get loose.
If you think it’s tensioned on a rubber part...
Loctite
Castellation/split pins
Locknuts
Other
...and always an acute engineering solution of steering situational awareness
Perhaps a 3 month inspection Interval? |
The fasteners should torque against the spacers in this application and against shoulders in similar ones. |
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bvolks
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| Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:46 am Post subject: Re: Steering Coupling Disc 211415417 (coupler) |
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I just got it and it isn't exactly like the one pictured in the ad, but it seems quite "solid".
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vw nutter
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| Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 6:17 am Post subject: Re: Steering Coupling Disc 211415417 (coupler) |
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For anybody interested i have 5x NOS new old stock original VW steering couplings for sale.
$100 each ink shipping world wide.
See my for sale add in the classifieds
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SGKent
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| Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 1:40 pm Post subject: Re: Steering Coupling Disc 211415417 (coupler) |
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Thanks Mike. Airhead states that SGF makes them for VW but they are out. CIP1 has the SGF ones, and they are also mentioned earlier in this thread. $23 https://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=VWC-211-415-417-GR
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Wildthings
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| Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 2:19 pm Post subject: Re: Steering Coupling Disc 211415417 (coupler) |
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The cheaper of the ones CIP1 sells says "Premium Quality" on the coupler while the more expensive one carries the VW symbol (but is it authentic VW?)
Maybe what we need is for someone to take one of these into their local NAPA and match it up to something on the shelf, say a Ford part and then go out and buy the actually factory Ford part and let people know if it is high quality and a good fit. |
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vw nutter
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| Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2020 5:08 am Post subject: Re: Steering Coupling Disc 211415417 (coupler) |
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The "premium Quality" ones are total TRASH!! junk, find out for your self
I tested almost everyone rubber coupling on the market, there all junk!
None of them are any good compared to original VW/ SGF/Hartig ones.
Don't be fooled by cheap pricing and knock off copies.
The couplings are manufactured in a special way according to the original
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sjbartnik
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| Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2020 7:43 am Post subject: Re: Steering Coupling Disc 211415417 (coupler) |
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I have experience with the "Premium Quality" one in a Type 3, not a Bus, so it's a different coupler but presumably same manufacturer. It is indeed junk. Folds up like a soft taco. It would flex/fold enough to allow adjacent bolts at the coupler flange to contact each other, causing the horn to sound during times of heavy load, like parallel parking.
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| Wildthings wrote: |
The cheaper of the ones CIP1 sells says "Premium Quality" on the coupler while the more expensive one carries the VW symbol (but is it authentic VW?)
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If it has the VW logo you can be reasonably assured that it is a genuine VW part otherwise VW would have sued the maker into oblivion by now.
Generally when the OEM manufacturer makes the same part for aftermarket sales the VW logo is ground off but otherwise the part is identical.
In my case the one I replaced the "premium quality" coupler with was one made by SGF, an OEM. SGF is a major OEM (original equipment manufacturer) of these kinds of flexible couplings for VW and other carmakers. https://www.sgf.de/en/
In my case it was made for aftermarket sales because the VW logo had been ground off but otherwise all the markings were the same including the SGF logo. It is properly stiff and has been perfect - no unwanted horn sounding due to coupler flex.
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| Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2020 10:02 am Post subject: Re: Steering Coupling Disc 211415417 (coupler) |
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When I am out of stock of the OE ones, I also sell them at 13.95
(famous Bagel joke)
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raygreenwood
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| Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2020 2:39 pm Post subject: Re: Steering Coupling Disc 211415417 (coupler) |
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| Wildthings wrote: |
The cheaper of the ones CIP1 sells says "Premium Quality" on the coupler while the more expensive one carries the VW symbol (but is it authentic VW?)
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If it has the VW logo you can be reasonably assured that it is a genuine VW part otherwise VW would have sued the maker into oblivion by now.
Generally when the OEM manufacturer makes the same part for aftermarket sales the VW logo is ground off but otherwise the part is identical.
In my case it was made for aftermarket sales because the VW logo had been ground off but otherwise all the markings were the same including the SGF logo. It is properly stiff and has been perfect - no unwanted horn sounding due to coupler flex. |
To be accurate....not actually for aftermarket sales. Its usually a production overrun or dealer overstock that is liquidated or a phased out NOS part.
For example TON of the parts for WC cars that come from ECS tuning are current dealer stock VW parts...come in the dealer bags with all the dealer decals...usually at about 10-15% discount. I just bought new original VW rear shocks last week for my Golf. They came in full on dealer bags with all VW logos. They are still current stock.
However....the upper shock mounts....which are VW parts....as you note...came with the VW logo ground off.
My point is that they are not made as aftermarket parts. They were 100% destined for VW but are usually unneeded stock.
But if they are not going to be bought or sold through a VW agent (like the shocks...which are just a volume buy through VW of America...so logos and packaging are allowed to stay on) .....they logo comes off. Ray |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2020 6:07 am Post subject: Re: Steering Coupling Disc 211415417 (coupler) |
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Someone did. Suzuki Samurai, take a look back on page 18.
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Maybe what we need is for someone to take one of these into their local NAPA and match it up to something on the shelf, say a Ford part and then go out and buy the actually factory Ford part and let people know if it is high quality and a good fit. |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 5:55 pm Post subject: Re: Steering Coupling Disc 211415417 (coupler) |
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So, after reading all this I ordered the VW coupler from Cip1 and got OEM! I'm kind of annoyed! Should I be??
Ordered this...
Got this...
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| Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 6:09 pm Post subject: Re: Steering Coupling Disc 211415417 (coupler) |
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it looks like the same mold and quality. Personally I would not worry about it unless you are doing a perfect 100 point $75,000 restoration.
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| Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 6:17 pm Post subject: Re: Steering Coupling Disc 211415417 (coupler) |
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| it looks like the same mold and quality. Personally I would not worry about it unless you are doing a perfect 100 point $75,000 restoration. |
My restoration is more of a 10 point $750 version!! 
If the quality is good and it's safe I don't care but they really should change the picture if they're not sending one with the VW logo on it.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2020 4:48 am Post subject: Re: Steering Coupling Disc 211415417 (coupler) |
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That’s the dilemma of wanting to pay online volume prices and expecting brick and mortar service.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2020 10:52 am Post subject: Re: Steering Coupling Disc 211415417 (coupler) |
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| That’s the dilemma of wanting to pay online volume prices and expecting brick and mortar service. |
nah. See it in brick and mortar too. There is no such thing as service anymore in 90% of businesses. It's more like wadda you want this time?
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