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ZwitterND Samba Member
Joined: September 08, 2005 Posts: 1451 Location: Fargo, ND
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Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 10:40 pm Post subject: Zwitter engine compartment tarboard / insulation |
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Anyone producing engine compartment tar board / insulation for a zwitter. Or better yet know how to restore it? Mine has retained it's shape however the engine side is separating. I am tempted to glue roofing tar paper on it. I can't make out the material they used, it appears to be a tar like substance with granules mixed in.
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Blue Baron VW Aficionado
Joined: June 16, 2006 Posts: 24106 Location: Southeast USA
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Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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Roofing tar paper sounds like a clever solution. _________________ We are striving for perfection, to make our cars run forever, if possible.
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D. Haviland Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2009 Posts: 536 Location: Burlington, Vermont
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Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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I used the original tarboard type stuff as a pattern and used the hardboard that is used for the trunk liner. It worked really well.
Dave |
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johnshenry Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2001 Posts: 9364 Location: Northwood, NH USA
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Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 6:49 am Post subject: |
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There are a number of rolled roofing products that can be used. One solution might be to just contact cement a layer of heavy roofing tar paper over the original to re-face it. Wipe it down with some mineral spirits and it will get really black.
You might also look for some "Bitumen" rolled roofing product (unfaced, no mineral "gravel"). It is about the same thickness and very close. Also a good substitute for the pan tarboards. _________________ John Henry
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D. Haviland Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2009 Posts: 536 Location: Burlington, Vermont
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Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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John,
The tarboard on a zwitter is considerably different than that of the later OVALS. Bituthane roofing materials are thicker and too rubbery.
Dave |
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Matthew Tolbert Samba Member
Joined: March 27, 2004 Posts: 706 Location: Georgia
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Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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is there any way you could make a template of that for me? my 53 did not have one and i will have to make something when the time comes.
edit forgot to add for a fee of course
thanks
Matthew _________________ Matthew Tolbert
1958 ragtop
1961 doublecab
1965 Notchback S |
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ZwitterND Samba Member
Joined: September 08, 2005 Posts: 1451 Location: Fargo, ND
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Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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no problem, just pm me your address and will trace & send.
I am trying to repair the board as I prefer to restore rather than replace. The problem I am having however is there is considerable warping, hills, valleys & chipping. I have tried soaking it in warm water and placing it between two pieces of plywood then parking my car on it on a hot day but tar must be too dry. I am in the process of patching the cracks & chips foil backed roofing patch. Then I found some very thin rubber coated material that I cemented to the board. It looks OK but far from original appearance. So, I painted it with "hammered " look spray paint that looks like tar but color is bad. I sprayed it with Ultra Flat black but not pleased with finish. My next attempt is going to be that "Chalk Board" paint. May mist it with some white paint to emulate the specks. _________________ Bill |
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Drag0nHart Samba Member
Joined: July 09, 2010 Posts: 186
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 3:57 pm Post subject: Re: Engine compartment tarboard / insulation |
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ZwitterND wrote: |
Anyone producing engine compartment tar board / insulation for a zwitter. Or better yet know how to restore it? Mine has retained it's shape however the engine side is separating. I am tempted to glue roofing tar paper on it. I can't make out the material they used, it appears to be a tar like substance with granules mixed in.
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For some reason, that second picture looks asbestos based.
You may be able to mix up your own concoction to try and match it...maybe tar and some kind of filler material, ...sawdust, sand? |
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Matthew Tolbert Samba Member
Joined: March 27, 2004 Posts: 706 Location: Georgia
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Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 4:35 am Post subject: |
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pm set
thanks _________________ Matthew Tolbert
1958 ragtop
1961 doublecab
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ZwitterND Samba Member
Joined: September 08, 2005 Posts: 1451 Location: Fargo, ND
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Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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Well after experimenting with various paints and textures I got it looking satisfactory. The warping of the base cardboard made it difficult to cover. Guess I will have to wait and see how heat affects it.
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johnshenry Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2001 Posts: 9364 Location: Northwood, NH USA
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Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 7:02 am Post subject: |
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That looks pretty nice! _________________ John Henry
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'56 Single Cab |
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empiracer Samba Member
Joined: December 17, 2002 Posts: 1098 Location: Issaquah / Seattle, Wa.
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Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2023 6:47 pm Post subject: Re: Engine compartment tarboard / insulation |
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Curious if this “zwitter” style engine compartment sound insulation carried into ‘53 Oval ? moderator - can I suggest this post is renamed Zwitter engine compartment tarboard / insulation |
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esde Samba Member
Joined: October 20, 2007 Posts: 5969 Location: central rust belt
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Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2023 2:33 pm Post subject: Re: Zwitter engine compartment tarboard / insulation |
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Did the zwitter cars have the alligator teeth that held this board? My October 52 car has a donor firewall from a 54, and I'm wondering if I can leave the teeth as they are _________________ modok wrote:
Bent cranks are silent but gather no moss. I mean, ah, something like that. |
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Robert Chambers Samba Member
Joined: August 11, 2005 Posts: 216
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Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2023 8:32 am Post subject: Re: Zwitter engine compartment tarboard / insulation |
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esde wrote: |
Did the zwitter cars have the alligator teeth that held this board? My October 52 car has a donor firewall from a 54, and I'm wondering if I can leave the teeth as they are |
Yes my Standard Zwitter has them. _________________ '63 OG 117 Herbie Replica
'56 Euro Oval Deluxe
'52 Standard Zwitter
'63 OG 117 |
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esde Samba Member
Joined: October 20, 2007 Posts: 5969 Location: central rust belt
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Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2023 8:23 pm Post subject: Re: Zwitter engine compartment tarboard / insulation |
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Thank you _________________ modok wrote:
Bent cranks are silent but gather no moss. I mean, ah, something like that. |
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