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iltis74 Samba Member
Joined: November 20, 2003 Posts: 826 Location: Anchorage, AK
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Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 2:17 am Post subject: |
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Crikey. After all that you may as well grab a grinder and follow the line of those gussets through the angle. I'm assuming that bottom bolt will have a hard washer too when all is said and done. You're obviously not concerned about weight with all that weld. |
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Energy Concepts Samba Member
Joined: March 12, 2007 Posts: 352 Location: Yacolt, WA
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Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 7:48 am Post subject: (at least you guys have Sarah to snuggle in with !!! |
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iltis74 wrote: |
Crikey. After all that you may as well grab a grinder and follow the line of those gussets through the angle. I'm assuming that bottom bolt will have a hard washer too when all is said and done. You're obviously not concerned about weight with all that weld. |
Thanks mate!
Well I was going to have our metal supplier trim those corners to a 45 degree. But, I wasn't sure just where the gussets would end up at the time.
I think I will continue the line of those gussets on!
We did decide to go with the 3/16th's thickness
Instead of the quarter inch material
3/16's IS plenty strong! And saves a little weight over all.
Yeah, I did use 100% coverage with the welds
Wire feed is Too much Fun !!!
Just 1/2" welds in the strategic locations would suffice!
Anyway all in all, the tank, (especially filled) weighs quite a bit!
That's a lot of Propane !
And it is only held on the 2 ends.
So I wanted the support to be ample.
We'll get it all painted up.
I want it to blend in as much as possible,
So all will be painted with POR 15 black.
More pic's to come!
Cant wait for the Propex to be a hummin' !!!
(Cold as AK here !!! )
(&&& ... at least you guys have Sarah to snuggle in with !!!
Best,
John C...
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Energy Concepts Samba Member
Joined: March 12, 2007 Posts: 352 Location: Yacolt, WA
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Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 3:30 pm Post subject: A Little More Work Finished; |
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A Little More Work Finished; :)
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Energy Concepts Samba Member
Joined: March 12, 2007 Posts: 352 Location: Yacolt, WA
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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 2:01 am Post subject: |
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Waiting on some Rust Bullet Paint.
Now, I need to decide which side of the bus
this should be installed on
the drivers side is traditional
But, I think the only reason it's on that side
is so that it is close to the stove and fridge
in the Westy's.
It would make more sense to me to
have it on the passenger side.
to counter balance all of the weight
that has to be located on the drivers side.
This would go a long way in reducing the
drivers side lean
But all of the connections; regulator, fill valves etc
May be in the way of entering and exiting the sliding door
I suppose the thing to do is to
tie it to my trans jack adaptor on my floor jack,
& raise it up into position
and take a look.
JC |
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Energy Concepts Samba Member
Joined: March 12, 2007 Posts: 352 Location: Yacolt, WA
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Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 6:13 pm Post subject: temporary propane tank install |
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Hi All,
Well, got it temporarily installed.
I had to trim the front mount a little.
But no big problem!
Looks pretty good sitting there.
Plenty of ground clearance.
I decided to go with installing it on the passenger side.
I have a Carat and no stove or fridge
on the drivers side.
I will only be fueling a Propex heater.
John C...
SLC, UT...
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jackbombay Samba Member
Joined: October 19, 2007 Posts: 2723 Location: Eastern Idaho
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Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 10:49 pm Post subject: Re: A Little More Work Finished; |
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Nice set-up, keping the tank at the stock height to avoid losing ground clearance is the way to go, is yours now exactly the same as the stock tank or do you have more ground clearance than with the stock tank?
Could you measure how far it is from the surface of your workbench to the top of the brackets you made? _________________
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Energy Concepts Samba Member
Joined: March 12, 2007 Posts: 352 Location: Yacolt, WA
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Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 7:01 am Post subject: |
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Hi jackbombay,
The brackets are about 7" tall.
But what is important is that they
position the tank to within 1/8"
between the top of the tank
and the floor of the bus.
The tank sits as high as possible!
The ground clearance, I'm sure is
as good or better than a stock Westy's !
Even though the Oversize propane tank
is a larger diameter. (than stock)
That's because, I'm running 2" taller GoWesty Springs
with oversize tires.
In fact, I have plans to go with even taller tires.
Because I am installing a 2.5 Subbie with Auto trans.
Taller tires should help with the gearing as well.
best,
John C...
SLC, UT...
PS: used your shocks on my Syncro Pop Top
They were great !!! |
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jackbombay Samba Member
Joined: October 19, 2007 Posts: 2723 Location: Eastern Idaho
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iltis74 Samba Member
Joined: November 20, 2003 Posts: 826 Location: Anchorage, AK
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Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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My oversize tank is sitting here now. The bottom of the protector plate is going to be a full 9 1/2" below the floor with the tank shoved up to about an eighth inch of hitting. I don't know if it's the same as a Westy, but the Riviera I have measures the same way at 7". I suppose you could modify the protector plate and whatnot and come up with another quarter to half an inch, but it just doesn't seem worth it. The tank itself (outside) is about 8"x42".
Edit- OK that's assuming you trust the brackets welded on the side of these. Tipped back to where the vapor nozzle comes straight out instead of pointing down a bit, and the welded plate marked TOP conveniently then is actually dead center top, I now get 9" on the nuts. The side brackets are way off though. I don't think I'll end up using them, but I won't decide tonight. |
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Energy Concepts Samba Member
Joined: March 12, 2007 Posts: 352 Location: Yacolt, WA
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Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 7:02 am Post subject: |
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>>>OK that's assuming you trust the brackets welded on the side of these.
If you're talking about the OEM Brackets on the Ends of the BD Oversize Tanks; I Absolutely Do Trust Them.
And there's not going to be anything stronger than the shape of the propane cylinder that's in between them.
My opinion (& everybodys got one, I know )
Is that the weak link in Any attachment is the floor of the bus.
>>>Tipped back to where the vapor nozzle comes straight out instead of pointing down a bit, and the welded plate marked TOP conveniently then is actually dead center top, I now get 9" on the nuts. The side brackets are way off though. I don't think I'll end up using them, but I won't decide tonight.[/quote]
Measurement Wise, Here's what I've ended up with;
not bad if I do say so myself...
best,
John C...
SLC, UT
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EvilDNA Samba Member
Joined: January 10, 2006 Posts: 116 Location: Salt Lake City, UT
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Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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Looking good John! I'll be addressing my tank tomorrow. Just need to cut down the end brackets to gain back that space, paint the other brackets we welded up and slap it in! I really want one on each side. One dedicated to future Propex and the other for my swing out rear mounted 'Chuck Wagon' Bar and Grill.
Grant _________________ 1990 4 Speed Orly Blue Multivan |
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Jedi Samba Member
Joined: October 23, 2007 Posts: 734 Location: Cool California
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Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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I just got mine delivered today! Man this thing is huge and a much better deal than replacing the smaller Manchester tank on my Adventurewagen. I am glad I was not to late to the party before they sold out _________________ 1961 Westfalia SO23 Mango Green/Seagull grey
1961 Westfalia SO34 T/BW
1961 Westfalia SO34 SWR
1964 Westfalia SO33 pearl white
1965 Westfalia SO42 Velvet green
1986 Syncro Wolfram grey with black int GL
1986 Syncro Doka
1987 Syncro Sevana beige Adventurewagen
1987 syncro Sevana beige GL
1973 Pumpkin orange Thing
2 1963 Rag top bug's
1965 Manx
1970 Single cab
1971 combi
1990 Vanagon GL
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jackbombay Samba Member
Joined: October 19, 2007 Posts: 2723 Location: Eastern Idaho
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Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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iltis74 wrote: |
The tank itself (outside) is about 8"x42". |
Do you have a reasonably accurate way of measuring the diameter? BDs website says 2.5 times the size of the stock tank, which is close to 4 gallons, which puts this oversized tank at ~10 gallons, but someone posted here that the tan is 7.5 gallons, but 8X42 comes out to 9.1 gallons. I'm sure it somewhere between 7 and 10, but thats almost a %50 difference _________________
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iltis74 Samba Member
Joined: November 20, 2003 Posts: 826 Location: Anchorage, AK
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Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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Yep, the outside diameter is 8", I just put some squares up against it, initially I just wrapped a tape around it and got 25 1/4". The body itself is 37 3/8" going by the welds, almost 39" before the curvature of the end caps take over, maybe 38 3/4" if you're really picky. Overall length of 42" to the outside of the end caps, 43" to the outside of the brackets. I don't know the wall thickness on this, and have no scale to weigh it. Have fun with the calculations. I'll say around 8 1/2 volume wise, though how much propane you can safely stuff in there, beats me. |
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jackbombay Samba Member
Joined: October 19, 2007 Posts: 2723 Location: Eastern Idaho
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Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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iltis74 wrote: |
Yep, the outside diameter is 8", I just put some squares up against it, initially I just wrapped a tape around it and got 25 1/4". The body itself is 37 3/8" going by the welds, almost 39" before the curvature of the end caps take over, maybe 38 3/4" if you're really picky. Overall length of 42" to the outside of the end caps, 43" to the outside of the brackets. I don't know the wall thickness on this, and have no scale to weigh it. Have fun with the calculations. I'll say around 8 1/2 volume wise, though how much propane you can safely stuff in there, beats me. |
Thanks for the numbers!
Comes out to 8.1 gallons (assuming 1/8" wall thickness") of total volume, and at %80 full thats 6.5 gallons of propane. _________________
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crazyvwvanman Samba Member
Joined: January 28, 2008 Posts: 9920 Location: Orbiting San Diego
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Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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The stock tanks hold about 2.5 so that make BusDepot right that this tank hold 2.5 times as much if it is close to 6.5.
Mark
jackbombay wrote: |
Thanks for the numbers!
Comes out to 8.1 gallons (assuming 1/8" wall thickness") of total volume, and at %80 full thats 6.5 gallons of propane. |
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Energy Concepts Samba Member
Joined: March 12, 2007 Posts: 352 Location: Yacolt, WA
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Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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Hi All,
The Rust Bullet Paint was Delivered!
Sanded and Masked
Ready to paint
I don't have a place to Spray in the winter.
Normally I spray small jobs outside.
So, this time I Brushed the paint on.
With 4 coats of Rust Bullet
This thing is never going to rust !!!
And, underneath the bus a spray finish
just isn't a must !!
PS: also, there's just Enough junk in the air already!
Two coats of Silver Rust Bullet:
First coat of Black
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Energy Concepts Samba Member
Joined: March 12, 2007 Posts: 352 Location: Yacolt, WA
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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 12:28 pm Post subject: |
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I just picked up a 2 stage regulator
and was reminded by the salesman
that the screened overflow area
as seen in the first picture,
Should point Down!
This helps keep water & crud out!
( and the regulator working )
( thought I ought to pass that info on. )
see pic:
This will have it looking like it's been mounted on it's side.
but that's the proper way !
( on an RV )
Also, the brass connector fitting that goes into
the propane tank valve
should be one that has an overflow valve in it.
This helps keep the propane from rushing out
if there were to be a hit that breaks
the regulator off!
BTW, I like the way Zoltan mounted the Regulator
up above the valves!
And will be doing that myself!
JC... |
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Energy Concepts Samba Member
Joined: March 12, 2007 Posts: 352 Location: Yacolt, WA
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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Guys,
Aside from a couple of little doodads,,,,
( I want to paint the mounting bolts with Rust Bullet )
Well,,, I Got er' done !!!
Now just need to run a hose
up to the Propex
Toasty toasty toasty !!!
Hope your tanks are coming along as well !!!
See ya down the road !!!
John C...
SLC, UT...
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EvilDNA Samba Member
Joined: January 10, 2006 Posts: 116 Location: Salt Lake City, UT
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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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Awesome. I like how you tied the regulator in using those fixtures. Is that sturdy enough as is or do you plan to affix the regulator in any kind of additional manner? _________________ 1990 4 Speed Orly Blue Multivan |
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