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Brickwerks Samba Member
Joined: April 11, 2010 Posts: 214 Location: West Yorkshire - UK
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Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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Not that simple.
I have a pair, big enough to fill 2 prams thanks.
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joet Samba Member
Joined: January 28, 2011 Posts: 55 Location: Amherst, MA
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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 6:47 am Post subject: |
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I installed the Powerflex Steering Rack bushings yesterday. It was a lot easier than I was expecting, especially because it's the first thing I have done, ever, to the steering/suspension of a car.
I removed all four bolts so the steering rack was free, and with the key turned in the ignition so the steering wheel wouldn't lock, I rotated the rack side to side and removed the old bushings with needle nose pliers (grabbing the inner sleeves and pulling hard). I installed the new bushings in a similar manner, and rotated the steering column with one hand while lining up the bolts in reverse order to when I removed them.
How tight should I have cranked down the bolts? I gave each one a real good turn, but didn't yard on them or add any body weight.
Also, when I work on bicycles, I was always told to use grease on every bolt. I've carried over this practice to things I've fixed on the van, but I never see grease on any bolts when I remove them? Should I keep doing this or is dry bolts the proper way on an automobile? Park Grease is what I've used for bikes, though I've been using white lithium grease on the vanagon. |
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climberjohn Samba Member
Joined: January 11, 2005 Posts: 1840 Location: Portland Orygun
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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:35 am Post subject: |
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JoeT,
Your tip about removing all 4 bolts, and then turning the steering wheel slightly is a good one!
I did the same, thru a bit of trial and error, to gain enough room on the driver side to slip in the rear half of the Powerflex bushings.
For anyone doing this upgrade, I suggest you try simply turning the steering wheel to get the needed room to install the bushings; no removal of any part of the steering rack hardware was needed other than the 4 bolts holding in the OEM bushings.
-CJ _________________ '86 Westy, 2.5 Subaru power
Know your limits. Exceed them often. |
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syncrodoka Samba Member
Joined: December 27, 2005 Posts: 12007 Location: Santa Cruz, CA
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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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How tight should I have cranked down the bolts? |
The torque spec is 18 ft. Lbs.
Park grease and Phil Wood doesn't last on cars, go to a motorcycle supply shop and pick up Belray waterproof grease. If you want to lube the bolts a drop of oil is fine but not grease.
Thanks for updating with the steering rack trick. |
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wbx Samba Member
Joined: April 11, 2005 Posts: 1254 Location: Monterey, CA
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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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syncrodoka wrote: |
If you want to lube the bolts a drop of oil is fine but not grease. |
Why not grease? What about anti-sieze? _________________ '84 Westy (first owner).......but my daily driver has pedals
My "perspective" mantra:
A Volkswagen Vanagon is just a material thing,
As such, it is of the earth,
And if i need to, I can let my Van go. |
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IdahoDoug Samba Member
Joined: June 12, 2010 Posts: 10251 Location: N. Idaho
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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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In a simplistic way, grease is just oil with thickeners. When grease dries out, some of those thickeners turn into a hard crud that may make removal difficult. More importantly, grease's much, much higher viscosity can cause a bolt being tightened into a hole to hydrolock and the torque has been reached. However, the correct torque has not been reached and the fastener is not providing the correct clamping force between whatever you're installing.
Oil, by contrast, doesn't really "dry out" and leave crud. Also, it is more able to be squeezed out of the threads during the tightening process so it's much less likely to create that hydrolock effect. A very light coating on a fastener is what's called for. A normal oil drop off an oil can would be way too much, but that same drop on a finger and rolling the threads across the finger would be about right.
DougM _________________ 1987 2WD Wolfsburg Vanagon Weekender "Mango", two fully locked 80 Series LandCruisers. 2017 Subaru Outback boxer. 1990 Audi 90 Quattro 20V with rear locking differential, 1990 burgundy parts Vanagon. 1984 Porsche 944, 1988 Toyota Supra 5 speed targa, 2002 BMW 325iX, 1982 Toyota Sunrader |
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wbx Samba Member
Joined: April 11, 2005 Posts: 1254 Location: Monterey, CA
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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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IdahoDoug wrote: |
In a simplistic way, grease is just oil with thickeners. When grease dries out, some of those thickeners turn into a hard crud that may make removal difficult. More importantly, grease's much, much higher viscosity can cause a bolt being tightened into a hole to hydrolock and the torque has been reached. |
Hrmm... I can't say I've ever had a problem with that. However, typically I dab a little blob/swipe of anti-sieze to the male threads so that when you screw it in, the stuff smears up the outside of the bolt, eventually lubing under the bolt head. The only downside I have to this approach is that anti-seize is a bit messier than grease or oil
But I'm hijacking this thread... So I'll stop there _________________ '84 Westy (first owner).......but my daily driver has pedals
My "perspective" mantra:
A Volkswagen Vanagon is just a material thing,
As such, it is of the earth,
And if i need to, I can let my Van go. |
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IdahoDoug Samba Member
Joined: June 12, 2010 Posts: 10251 Location: N. Idaho
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Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 12:14 am Post subject: |
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Sorry I'll stop hijacking here after a VERY important point. Never put or get antisieze under the head of a fastener. This changes the intention of the head, which is to provide stiction force to prevent loosening. Threads only. Worst place is using it on wheel lug bolts where the tapered lug bolt and the wheel touch. Absolutely incorrect as described above. Just roll the threads across some anti sieze and you've got enough.
Carry on.....
DougM _________________ 1987 2WD Wolfsburg Vanagon Weekender "Mango", two fully locked 80 Series LandCruisers. 2017 Subaru Outback boxer. 1990 Audi 90 Quattro 20V with rear locking differential, 1990 burgundy parts Vanagon. 1984 Porsche 944, 1988 Toyota Supra 5 speed targa, 2002 BMW 325iX, 1982 Toyota Sunrader |
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Brickwerks Samba Member
Joined: April 11, 2010 Posts: 214 Location: West Yorkshire - UK
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 10:42 am Post subject: |
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Some more Powerflex items coming soon.
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1621 Samba Member
Joined: May 15, 2006 Posts: 2174
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 11:09 am Post subject: |
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Brickwerks wrote: |
Some more Powerflex items coming soon.
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C'mon, don't be a tease! _________________ '85 Westy |
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insyncro Banned
Joined: March 07, 2002 Posts: 15086 Location: New York
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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Make a list of all bushings in the Vanagon suspension.
Subtract the Powerflex bushings that are available.
Bingo! |
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r39o Samba Polizei
Joined: May 18, 2005 Posts: 9800 Location: San Diego
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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wbx wrote: |
syncrodoka wrote: |
If you want to lube the bolts a drop of oil is fine but not grease. |
Why not grease? What about anti-sieze? |
ALL German torque specs are with LUBRICATION. Typically engine oil. I have yet to find the DIN spec for that, but every German trained person I know tells the same story.
Now back to our regular thread......sorry for the thread jack.
Oh ya, and what other products are those that are coming????
DON'T HARASS THE MONKEYS! _________________ "Use the SEARCH, Luke" But first visit the Vanagon FAQ!
1990 Multivan EJ 22, Rancho trans 0.82 4th, Small Car front AC, CLKs w/ 215/65-16, homemade big brakes 303mm, Konis, Recaros, etc....
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madspaniard Samba Member
Joined: August 18, 2008 Posts: 3795 Location: Alameda, CA
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Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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joined the club and had the Powerflex steering rack poly bushings installed in the Westy today. If you are very familiar with how your van performs and steers you will notice the improvement easily. Tight steering and improved responsiveness. On the way back nome, it felt like a modern car, fun to change lanes, almost sporty feeling in the steering department, nice upgrade overall. _________________ 1991 Westy auto w/ Peloquin TBD
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windnsea Samba Member
Joined: May 07, 2008 Posts: 424 Location: Pasadena, CA
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Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 11:23 pm Post subject: |
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I also put in the Powerflex bushings today in my 83 1/2 sunroof vanagon. Also got half-way through putting in a BMW 3-series power brake booster and new clutch master and slave cylinders! I think that everything now new except for the body and glass!
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madspaniard Samba Member
Joined: August 18, 2008 Posts: 3795 Location: Alameda, CA
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Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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windnsea wrote: |
Also got half-way through putting in a BMW 3-series power brake booster |
funny, I'm doing the same thing next week, can be done thru the instrument cluster hole without removing the dashboard _________________ 1991 Westy auto w/ Peloquin TBD
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timbo Samba Member
Joined: April 20, 2006 Posts: 194 Location: Port Moody BC Canada
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 5:02 am Post subject: |
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Its been 2 weeks of driving since I've "Powerflexed" my front end. Loogy set me up with the steering rack bushings,LCA bushings, sway bar and endlinks too. These combined with Burley UCA's with heim joints instead of bushings, new ball joints and tie-rod ends and my front end feels nice and tight with a noticeable difference in sterring wheel feel and body lean. No squeaks or clunks.
For the few hours that it took to swap out the old,soft rubber bushings the urethane bushings are well worth the price. In the past 4 years Ive replaced the rubbers only to have them deteriorate in short time.
Go Urethane, go Loogy! _________________ 1988 Vanagon GL/ 1991 2.2 Subie power
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syncrodoka Samba Member
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 7:19 am Post subject: |
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I have still yet to have any problems with my PS rack poly bushings even with trail abuse and fast driving in mountain roads on a regular basis. I fully recommend these bits to anybody. |
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j_dirge Samba Member
Joined: August 08, 2007 Posts: 4641 Location: Twain Harte, CA
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 8:16 am Post subject: |
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syncrodoka wrote: |
I have still yet to have any problems with my PS rack poly bushings even with trail abuse and fast driving in mountain roads on a regular basis. I fully recommend these bits to anybody. |
Word.
Took my van for a "spirited" mountain road drive two weekends ago.. I thought it handled great before with all new bushings up front..
But the new polyUs replaced new rubber in the steerig rack.. and it tightened the feel even more so.
Worth every penny.. particularly where a van's OE suspension is being tuned in general. _________________ -89 GL Westy, SVX.. finally.
-57 pan f/g buggy with a 67 pancake Type 3 "S"
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those are straight line runs with light weight race cars for only 1/4mile at a time..
not pushing a loaded brick up a mountain pass with a family of 4+ inside expecting to have an event free vacation..
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insyncro Banned
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 8:30 am Post subject: |
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Besides the power, the first thing a driver will comment on while driving one of my personal vans is the steering "feel".
I have had Powerflex and a stiffer set mounted for years now.
Huge improvement over rubber!
If you like the slop and swaying of a van in the corners, don't bother upgrading these bushings...seriously, some prefer sloppy steering. |
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j_dirge Samba Member
Joined: August 08, 2007 Posts: 4641 Location: Twain Harte, CA
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 8:39 am Post subject: |
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insyncro wrote: |
If you like the slop and swaying of a van in the corners, don't bother upgrading these bushings...seriously, some prefer sloppy steering. |
Yes.. like sailing the open seas.
But seriously..
I run load rated D tires.. fairly stiff. 2000 something lbs..
I was a tad concerned that the polyUs would transmit more road vibration.. perhaps not dampen the jarring enough.. of mixed terrain and uneven road quality.
Not so.. Its a nice solid, firm feeling.. not jarring.. transmits road feel, but does not vibrate up your wrists, at all. _________________ -89 GL Westy, SVX.. finally.
-57 pan f/g buggy with a 67 pancake Type 3 "S"
"Jimi Hendrix owned one. Richard Nixon did not"
-Grand Tour, Season 1, episodes 4 and 5
danfromsyr wrote: |
those are straight line runs with light weight race cars for only 1/4mile at a time..
not pushing a loaded brick up a mountain pass with a family of 4+ inside expecting to have an event free vacation..
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