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windnsea Samba Member
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 8:48 am Post subject: |
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If you look in the Bentley Manual at pics of the factory rubber bushings and how to install them, it appears that VW designed the bushings for more sideways deflection than vertical in order to dampen some of the roughness introduced into the steering by such things as potholes.
Remember, the Vanagon really wasn't designed for high speed paved roads or severe off roading - it was designed as a work truck or a vehicle to bring down the hay from those high Swiss pastures that the cows didn't eat! Things like that. |
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levi Samba Member
Joined: February 11, 2005 Posts: 5522 Location: Las Vegas
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 10:09 am Post subject: |
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windnsea wrote: |
If you look in the Bentley Manual at pics of the factory rubber bushings and how to install them, it appears that VW designed the bushings for more sideways deflection than vertical in order to dampen some of the roughness introduced into the steering by such things as potholes.
Remember, the Vanagon really wasn't designed for high speed paved roads or severe off roading - it was designed as a work truck or a vehicle to bring down the hay from those high Swiss pastures that the cows didn't eat! Things like that. |
Maybe so, but I no longer bring hay down for the cows. _________________ One of these days I'm gonna settle down,
but till I do I won't be hangin round.
Going down that long lonesome highway,
gonna see life my way
https://youtu.be/cSrL0BXsO40 |
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syncrodoka Samba Member
Joined: December 27, 2005 Posts: 12008 Location: Santa Cruz, CA
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 11:12 am Post subject: |
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it appears that VW designed the bushings for more sideways deflection than vertical in order to dampen some of the roughness introduced into the steering by such things as potholes. |
That is what shocks are for. You can orient the OE rubber type either way and it won't help the steering.
The ride hasn't changed for the good or bad other than the driver input into the steering is now much more predictable. |
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Mick Ord Samba Member
Joined: April 26, 2008 Posts: 203 Location: Vancouver, BC
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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My brother is coming over from the UK( no shipping , taxes etc), so i am getting this powerflex kit sent to him from brickwerks;
Lower arm inner bushes (Lower TCA bushes)
Anti roll bar drop link to lower arm bush kit.
Anti roll bar drop link upper bushes.
Antiroll bar to body bushes
Steering rack bushes
Are there any other bushes i should be replacing at the same time, or is this enough ???
thxs Mick _________________ 1991 Syncro Westy- 2.5 Suby
1989 Syncro Tristar ( sold)
1988 2wd Tristar- about to start resto/rebuild !! |
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madspaniard Samba Member
Joined: August 18, 2008 Posts: 3795 Location: Alameda, CA
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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My understanding is that the guy at Brickwerks does not like how the Powerflex upper control arm bushings fit in the Vanagon but they are available. The other bushings to replace in a front end work are the front lower radius rod bushings but Powerflex does not have those available for Vanagons. _________________ 1991 Westy auto w/ Peloquin TBD
"The only difference between me and a madman is that I'm not mad” - Salvador Dali |
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jetpoweredmonkey Samba Member
Joined: September 20, 2004 Posts: 194 Location: Sacramento, CA
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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Just wanted to chime in on the Powerflex steering rack bushings. First off, Loogy is a great guy to buy from and they got to me fast.
I will second everyone else's comments about the improvement with these. You know that dead feeling around neutral when you're fighting a crosswind and jerking the wheel back and forth just trying to stay in your lane? Kinda feels like your old Bug with a worn out steering gearbox? That is gone. Okay, she's still getting pushed around by the wind, but lane positioning has become much less of a guessing game.
As for any harshness, forget it. Absolutely zero new vibes in the steering wheel. I remember when I put urethane transmission mount bushings in my Bug and hated them. This is not the same stuff - it's much softer. _________________ 1991 Westfalia 2WD |
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Mick Ord Samba Member
Joined: April 26, 2008 Posts: 203 Location: Vancouver, BC
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Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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Just fitted my powerflex steering rack bushes this afternoon and i think i may have a problem ???
i followed the instructions as per this thread- took out all four bolts, replaced bushes and re fitted with correct 18lb torque. I turned steering wheel to assist with this, gaining space to fit new bushes and to re-align and bolt steering rack back in place ( id did this all with the front wheels on the ground- if this makes any differance ???).
On driving van it is has very tight steering on the straight ahead, no self centering etc the steering is super stiff and "dead", i can turn the steering 1/4 turn and it just stays there, like its "too tight" !!!
Have i missed something, done something wrong ??? _________________ 1991 Syncro Westy- 2.5 Suby
1989 Syncro Tristar ( sold)
1988 2wd Tristar- about to start resto/rebuild !! |
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Mick Ord Samba Member
Joined: April 26, 2008 Posts: 203 Location: Vancouver, BC
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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 9:24 am Post subject: |
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Any ideas ???? _________________ 1991 Syncro Westy- 2.5 Suby
1989 Syncro Tristar ( sold)
1988 2wd Tristar- about to start resto/rebuild !! |
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j_dirge Samba Member
Joined: August 08, 2007 Posts: 4641 Location: Twain Harte, CA
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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 10:21 am Post subject: |
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Mick Ord wrote: |
Any ideas ???? |
check your steering coupler and the rubber bushing.
http://www.van-cafe.com/home/van/page_210_763/steering_coupler_1980__1991.html
Its possible that when you moved the steering rack to fit the rack bushings, perhaps something bent?
Or the steering bushing, itself has failed?
Pics?
When I did this job I detached the linkage at the coupler bushing.. and that created adequate room to move the rack forward with out any prying. _________________ -89 GL Westy, SVX.. finally.
-57 pan f/g buggy with a 67 pancake Type 3 "S"
"Jimi Hendrix owned one. Richard Nixon did not"
-Grand Tour, Season 1, episodes 4 and 5
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those are straight line runs with light weight race cars for only 1/4mile at a time..
not pushing a loaded brick up a mountain pass with a family of 4+ inside expecting to have an event free vacation..
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Mick Ord Samba Member
Joined: April 26, 2008 Posts: 203 Location: Vancouver, BC
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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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Still kinda stuck with my 'TIGHT' steering after changing my steering rack bushes, my mechanic ( over the phone) thinks i may have let the steering column fall while the rack was loose ???, he suggests looseing off the steering " knuckle" and pushing rack back up and then re tighten......not exactly sure waht he means and where this is located/how to do it....any ideas/help ?
Thxs _________________ 1991 Syncro Westy- 2.5 Suby
1989 Syncro Tristar ( sold)
1988 2wd Tristar- about to start resto/rebuild !! |
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levi Samba Member
Joined: February 11, 2005 Posts: 5522 Location: Las Vegas
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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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Look in my gallery of photos, fourth one down, your steering column may have dropped out of the 2 pins that hold it together. _________________ One of these days I'm gonna settle down,
but till I do I won't be hangin round.
Going down that long lonesome highway,
gonna see life my way
https://youtu.be/cSrL0BXsO40 |
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syncrodoka Samba Member
Joined: December 27, 2005 Posts: 12008 Location: Santa Cruz, CA
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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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Are you sure that the steering shaft from the steering rack going towards the front bumper isn't dragging on the spare tire. You are going to have to poke around and look at what doesn't look correct as something got overlooked, this is too simple of a procedure. This is a odd one.
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Gauche1968 Samba Member
Joined: April 13, 2006 Posts: 1518
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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Are the radius arm bushings available yet? I saw them on the Powerflex site, but Loogy's site doesn't list them. _________________ 1984 Vanagon GL
1984 Vanagon Westy |
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Christopher Schimke Samba Member
Joined: August 03, 2005 Posts: 5391 Location: PNW
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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Gauche1968 wrote: |
Are the radius arm bushings available yet? I saw them on the Powerflex site, but Loogy's site doesn't list them. |
They were supposed to arrive in the latest shipment, but they weren't included. A quick note to Powerflex revealed they have not left Europe yet. I have note in to them, asking when they will be arriving, but I haven't heard back on that yet. They should be here soon though. _________________ "Sometimes you have to build a box to think outside of." - Bruce (not Springsteen)
*Custom wheel hardware for Audi/VW, Porsche and Mercedes wheels - Urethane Suspension Bushings*
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Zeitgeist 13 Samba Member
Joined: March 05, 2009 Posts: 12115 Location: Port Manteau
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 8:50 pm Post subject: Happy customer |
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_________________ Casey--
'89 Bluestar ALH w/12mm Waldo pump, PP764 and GT2052
'01 Weekender --> full camper
y u rune klassik? |
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IdahoDoug Samba Member
Joined: June 12, 2010 Posts: 10251 Location: N. Idaho
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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Can't believe you'd put such a nice piece of art out on your driveway like that!!
DougM _________________ 1987 2WD Wolfsburg Vanagon Weekender "Mango", two fully locked 80 Series LandCruisers. 2017 Subaru Outback boxer. 1990 Audi 90 Quattro 20V with rear locking differential, 1990 burgundy parts Vanagon. 1984 Porsche 944, 1988 Toyota Supra 5 speed targa, 2002 BMW 325iX, 1982 Toyota Sunrader |
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Zeitgeist 13 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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I find that stark juxtapositions like that evoke strong emotive responses in my audiences. _________________ Casey--
'89 Bluestar ALH w/12mm Waldo pump, PP764 and GT2052
'01 Weekender --> full camper
y u rune klassik? |
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Syncroincity Samba Member
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j_dirge Samba Member
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Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 7:19 am Post subject: |
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Syncroincity wrote: |
Ooo, can I play?
"Still-life With Hammer" 2011
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Haunting..
..in neo-transitional kind of way. _________________ -89 GL Westy, SVX.. finally.
-57 pan f/g buggy with a 67 pancake Type 3 "S"
"Jimi Hendrix owned one. Richard Nixon did not"
-Grand Tour, Season 1, episodes 4 and 5
danfromsyr wrote: |
those are straight line runs with light weight race cars for only 1/4mile at a time..
not pushing a loaded brick up a mountain pass with a family of 4+ inside expecting to have an event free vacation..
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Zeitgeist 13 Samba Member
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Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 8:48 am Post subject: plastic dynamism has met its finest hour |
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I'm mesmerized by your jaunty arrangement of the protective covers. They draw the eyes upward, then allowing them to playfully sweep in a poetic arc down and then back up across the sensual curves of the rack. bravo, sir...bravo _________________ Casey--
'89 Bluestar ALH w/12mm Waldo pump, PP764 and GT2052
'01 Weekender --> full camper
y u rune klassik? |
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