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*VWFamily* Samba Member
Joined: June 08, 2005 Posts: 18 Location: St. Louis, MO
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Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 4:26 pm Post subject: Fridge issues ( refrigerator ) not working |
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First of all, I have spent the last two days reading the forums. I have been trouble shooting a non working fridge in a 78 bus. She had been working great for years and now does not heat up the coils. Checked the fuses, both of them. Heating element is getting power but does not heat up. Can you just replace the heating element? Can the heating element go bad? Thanks |
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51150 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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Welcome, yes the heater can go bad, if you are sure it's getting power and have tested it for resistance and found none find an old school RV shop, a 12V fridge heater is pretty common. Does yours have 2 elements? as in one 12V and one 110V? _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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*VWFamily* Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 6:46 am Post subject: |
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First, thanks for getting back to me. The fridge is 12v and 110v. The heating element looks like it has two wires coming out of it. The heating unit itself feels like it may be cylinder and fit into a round housing. Does it just slide out if I need to replace it? How do I check for resistance?
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51150 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 7:14 am Post subject: |
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Have a look at this: http://www.type2.com/bartnik/tech.htm (scroll down to Westfalia).
The heater is indeed a metal cylinder about the size of a small cigar, it's clamped in and does slide out, for testing you'll have to check for resistance between the 2 wires (or each voltages wire and the common if it has 3 wires) with an OHM meter or test light and power source. The heater has to be disconnected from the fridge wiring for this test. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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*VWFamily* Samba Member
Joined: June 08, 2005 Posts: 18 Location: St. Louis, MO
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Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 9:03 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the reply. What value resistance am I looking for? If it is the heater, how to I get it out and replace it and where do I get another one? It seems to me that it would slide out. I hope i dont have to pull the fridge from the bus. Thanks for the link, it helped me find the problem yesterday. |
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*VWFamily* Samba Member
Joined: June 08, 2005 Posts: 18 Location: St. Louis, MO
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Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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Still no luck. |
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Westfabulous Samba Member
Joined: January 07, 2007 Posts: 4207 Location: The tropic of Canada, dodging the giant flying moose of Surrey!
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Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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How are you running this fridge? Are you using shore power or are you trying to run it from the accessory battery?
If you are using the battery, don't. Hook it up to shore power and let it run overnight. Make sure that the temperature dial is set to maximum. Make sure the control panel is properly set for fridge operation. Visually inspect your piping for rust and or leaks.
These old buggers are finicky, and I find that mine needs to be woken up about once a year. I leave it plugged in for at least 24 hours and sometimes more. Sometimes parking on a graded driveway will help the ammonia refrigerant to move (nose down).
If you haven't already, start with this and report back. _________________ *****************
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*VWFamily* Samba Member
Joined: June 08, 2005 Posts: 18 Location: St. Louis, MO
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Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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I have done that, but it seems my heater element has gone cu-put. Let me ask u, when you turn on ur fridge does it start to heat up right away or does it take a day to heat up.
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Westfabulous Samba Member
Joined: January 07, 2007 Posts: 4207 Location: The tropic of Canada, dodging the giant flying moose of Surrey!
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Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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*VWFamily* wrote: |
I have done that, but it seems my heater element has gone cu-put. Let me ask u, when you turn on ur fridge does it start to heat up right away or does it take a day to heat up.
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My element takes some time to heat up; can't say specifically how long, but it isn't quick. Try the overnight thing to rule it out entirely.
I have seen a few of these fridge assemblies in the classifieds as well:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1025528 _________________ *****************
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*VWFamily* Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks man. It would seem that if I left it overnight it should have warmed up. Ill try to find another heating element. Do u know how it comes out of the housing.
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51150 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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It should feel warm near the heater in a few minutes, disconnect the heater and check it for infinite OHMs or connect the fridge to a battery charger with a meter on it and see if the load increases when you turn it to cool. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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Westfabulous Samba Member
Joined: January 07, 2007 Posts: 4207 Location: The tropic of Canada, dodging the giant flying moose of Surrey!
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Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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*VWFamily* wrote: |
Thanks man. It would seem that if I left it overnight it should have warmed up. Ill try to find another heating element. Do u know how it comes out of the housing.
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Definitely should have heated up. _________________ *****************
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*VWFamily* Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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Great, I think you said that I can buy one at an RV shop if I need a new one. R they pretty standard when it comes to size. |
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51150 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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I think so, take the dead one with you to compare. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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pittwagen Samba Member
Joined: November 08, 2005 Posts: 766 Location: North of the 49th parallel
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Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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I have the earlier style fridge from a 74. It hadn't run in years and started to heat soon as I plugged it in. Took a while for all the goop in the tubes to get back into sync but once it did it works very well.
Don't know if this element would work or not but it might be worth contacting the Bus Depot to see what they say.
http://www.busdepot.com/details.jsp?partnumber=255070508C
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*VWFamily* Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 4:22 am Post subject: |
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Awesome, I did not know they still had those. Thanks |
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Karzapart55 Samba Member
Joined: May 26, 2004 Posts: 640 Location: Old Bridge NJ
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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 6:46 am Post subject: |
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How did you determine that you had power to the element? |
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*VWFamily* Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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I used one of those test lights. I ordered a multimeter so I can get into the problem deeper. |
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*VWFamily* Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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I have tested the power to the fridge and have 13+ volts all the way to the heating element but it still does not heat up. I tested the element directly to a battery and it heated up right away so the element is OK, did an ohms test also. I found a picture of the wiring right below the thermostat and mine is not the same as that one. Is the picture correct? If not, how is the wiring suppose to be. If you have a picture that would b great.
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Here is the forum I fond the pic.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=398563&highlight=refrigerator |
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RatCamper Samba Member
Joined: November 13, 2008 Posts: 3305 Location: Australia
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Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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*VWFamily* wrote: |
I have tested the power to the fridge and have 13+ volts all the way to the heating element but it still does not heat up. I tested the element directly to a battery and it heated up right away so the element is OK, did an ohms test also. I found a picture of the wiring right below the thermostat and mine is not the same as that one. Is the picture correct? If not, how is the wiring suppose to be. If you have a picture that would b great.
Thanks
Here is the forum I fond the pic.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=398563&highlight=refrigerator |
Unless I'm misunderstanding how those connectors work, something looks screwy. I'm assuming the blacks and blues are supposed to be connected to their same coloured friends, yes?
That connector looks like it has three straight through electrical connections. if so, why is the light blue connection not on the bottom?
Also is there a wire I can't see or is that middle wire with the braided insulation (one of the element wires?) not connected to anything?
besides having a couple of two way fridges I'm not versed in this particular one.
Looking at it I'd either say that the braided insulation wire that is in the middle should be on the left, or you are missing a wire from the middle.
I'm only concerned because if that is a power and earth feed, I get that one set of red and blue are coming from power and an earth point, but where are the other pair going to? _________________ Vehicle: 1975 Special order delivery walkthrough panel based pop-top camper (LCA / Sunliner). Motor: Nippon 1.8L Single port Wasserboxer, Transmission: 3 rib 002. |
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