Hello! Log in or Register   |  Help  |  Donate  |  Buy Shirts  See all banner ads | Advertise on TheSamba.com  
TheSamba.com
 
Flexible LED lights for interior van lighting
Page: Previous  1, 2, 3, ... 12, 13, 14  Next
Jump to:
Forum Index -> Vanagon Share: Facebook Twitter
Reply to topic
Print View
Quick sort: Show newest posts on top | Show oldest posts on top View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
heliodon
Samba Member


Joined: October 20, 2010
Posts: 34
Location: Berkeley, CA
heliodon is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:44 pm    Post subject: yet another LED lighting install (photos) Reply with quote

Hello all,

When our vans were made, LEDs could do little but illuminate themselves as indicators and that was pretty darn cool at the time. Today, LEDs are really coming into their own as light sources with new products emerging at a rapid pace. There is much to like: LEDs are long-lived, very efficient, and agreeably compact. In just the last year they have become more powerful, less expensive, and their color continues to improve.

Having just competed a few basic mechanical chores (yes, including new 30R9 fuel lines!) with the 1990 Westfalia I acquired in September I thought the dark days of winter would be a fun time to play around with an interior lighting makeover. Thus, as a relative newbie I have followed this thread with interest.

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


I ended up using products from Oznium thanks to a pointer from climberjohn in this thread. It was very smooth doing business with Oznium – they were fast and reasonably priced (I have no business connection with them). I ended up using two different LED products from Oznium, both quite satisfying. The first is their Waterproof SMD Bar, which provides about 30 surface-mount LEDs in a ¼” by ½” aluminum channel that is 20” long. Each SMD Bar consumes ~2.4 W at 12V. I have placed two bars above the kitchen counter, a bar above the rear bench seat, and a bar in the lower center of the dashboard. I have also used Oznium’s High Intensity LED Flood Light in the back bay of the van over the engine compartment.

As climberjohn notes, these LED strips are a bit too glaring for use in the normal field of view. For the installation over the kitchen counter I used a length of ½” x ½” aluminum angle as a mounting shield. This works really well to direct a useful swatch of light on the top surface without glare and the 1/2" "fixture" is so small you hardly see it. I mounted the strip underneath the inside edge of the shelf above the counter. In this position it illuminates the cooking surface and sink nicely when the kitchen lid is raised.

Daytime view of the installation:

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


… and the light it provides at night.

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


The strip of lights over the rear bench seat was a bit more prone to glare since folks sitting there would be just a foot or so away from the source and looking toward it. In this case I recessed the LED Bar into a 5/8” x 5/8” aluminum channel. The sides of the channel are just right to block the occupant’s view of the LED bar. Since aluminum is a shiny reflector I placed a strip of old, black Velcro tape (it was handy) on the inside surface of the channel so it would not reflect back into passenger’s eyes.

Daytime view view:

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


Nighttime view:

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


I followed the lead of thatvwbusguy in mounting a strip of lights on the dash board. In the case of Oznium’s LED Bar the LEDs are already mounted on a tidy strip of aluminum. I elected to mount one 20” bar at the bottom of the metal portion of the dash using two small plastic clips that came with the bar. I applied black electrical tape to the exposed aluminum surfaces of the bar to help it blend in with the dash and, like thatvwbusguy, routed the power leads to the existing map light. This is working fine except the map light switch is a little fiddly.

Daytime views with the dash light off and on:

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


Light number 4 is a single Oznium High Intensity LED Flood Light mounted over the engine compartment. This is a small single LED fixture with a substantial 1-1/4” round aluminum heat sink. It lights the engine bay quite nicely but is probably the wrong geometry for a reading light.

View of the small flood light and the light it produces:

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


So, I feel like I have a fine start on the relighting of my Westy’s interior. So far I have installed 12 W of LED lighting – far less than the single incandescent fixture that was mounted over the counter – and the cabin now has much more light over a wider area. I bought the Westy, in part, to serve as a mobile field office for my projects in landscape photography. In this role the increased amount of light is a great thing. Less light would be fine too on occasions when I am in a more relaxed camping mode. For the main cabin strips I will install a PWM dimmer as mentioned by vwlovr. I have tested one and it works quite well.

BTW, warm white is a great option for the van interiors. A general principle in visual perception is that we expect lower levels of light to be relatively warm in color and higher levels to be cool (Google: Kruithof Curve). All of my Oznium lights are warm white and they match well.

Still to do:

1. Mount the dimmer and finalize the main cabin wiring runs.

2. Work out a switch for the flood light over the rear compartment. I want to group a 120 V outlet, two 12 V outlets, and the engine bay light switch all together in a panel on the rear-facing side of the cabinet,

3. Add 12 V sockets and flexible (gooseneck) reading lights for the back bunk space and perhaps the rear bench seat.

4. I still have incandescent festoon bulbs in the driver's side ceiling light and the map light. I will replace these with warm white LEDs.

5. Think through a lighting option for the upper space when the top is popped.

My thanks to all of you on Samba for leading the way and particularly to climberjohn for the thread plus vwlover, thatvwbusguy, and 1621 for thought provoking suggestions.

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.

_________________
Cheers,
Cris
_________________
90 Westfalia (current)
91 Cabriolet (current)
60 Bugeye Sprite (good prep for VWs)


Last edited by heliodon on Tue Jan 11, 2011 12:58 pm; edited 4 times in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Classifieds Feedback
1621
Samba Member


Joined: May 15, 2006
Posts: 2174

1621 is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WOW! Applause

Cris, that looks fantastic! Smart use of the LEDs to light the whole cabin. I can't wait for the updates with the PWM dimmer in place.

Now a little challenge for anyone interested...

I'm thinking it would be nice to have an outdoor porch light on the B-pillar between the passenger door and slider. LED of course, must be waterproof, unobtrusive, switched from the inside, perhaps with a yellow tint to keep the bugs at bay. All good ideas and suggestions are welcome.
_________________
'85 Westy
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
markz2004
Samba Member


Joined: November 13, 2007
Posts: 925
Location: Portland, OR
markz2004 is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1621 wrote:
I'm thinking it would be nice to have an outdoor porch light on the B-pillar between the passenger door and slider.


Quick Picture of 1621 taking out the trash... Very Happy I kidd.

Just google "battery operated motion sensor LED" or something close to that. Lots of options for putting one on a magnet for easy campsite attachment.

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.

_________________
87 Westy, 250k GW 2.4 - 2.0 Wink, 16" wheels
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
climberjohn
Samba Member


Joined: January 11, 2005
Posts: 1840
Location: Portland Orygun
climberjohn is offline 

PostPosted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 9:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Applause x2!!!

Wowzer, nice work! (I wish I gave this much thought to mine.) You are are wise to get such good integration between all components. Excellent photos too, but that's your job, right?

Your choice of angle aluminum for over the sink and channel aluminum for over the bench seat is especially clever; seems to perfectly solve the blast-in-your-eyes effect of LEDs.

That High Intensity LED Flood Light is DAMN bright, wow! I agree, maybe not so good as a reading light. For that, I suggest this from Go Westy; a nice warm light and easily bendable to where you want it:

http://www.gowesty.com/ec_search_results.php?search_phrase=osram

Keep up your great posts and photos, thanks!

-CJ
_________________
'86 Westy, 2.5 Subaru power
Know your limits. Exceed them often.


Last edited by climberjohn on Tue Dec 14, 2010 9:33 am; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website Gallery Classifieds Feedback
climberjohn
Samba Member


Joined: January 11, 2005
Posts: 1840
Location: Portland Orygun
climberjohn is offline 

PostPosted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

markz2004 wrote:
1621 wrote:
I'm thinking it would be nice to have an outdoor porch light on the B-pillar between the passenger door and slider.


Just google "battery operated motion sensor LED" or something close to that. Lots of options for putting one on a magnet for easy campsite attachment.



Fellas,

Methinks this is the answer you seek.

Gorillatorch

- Magnetic (stick it on dark parts of van for mechanical work)
- Infinitely bendable
- LED (of course)
- Water resistant
- Brightness, color (white/red) and strobe settings
- Extremely cool looking
- One model turns into a lantern for outside evening festivities.

Link: http://joby.com/gorillatorch

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.

_________________
'86 Westy, 2.5 Subaru power
Know your limits. Exceed them often.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website Gallery Classifieds Feedback
sunfishsail
Samba Member


Joined: May 25, 2009
Posts: 22
Location: Alexandria VA
sunfishsail is offline 

PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hid 2 strips of red ones in the back of my 68 weekender and they work great. Red allows me to see, but red does not effect night vision like white, so going in and out at night is easier on the eyes. plus the red glow looks cool.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Classifieds Feedback
Jamos
Samba Member


Joined: July 08, 2005
Posts: 756
Location: SF Bay Area
Jamos is offline 

PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jamos wrote:
I just ordered 1x3' and 1x2' of the warm white LED strips, as well as one of these:
http://www.ledlightsworld.com/led-dimmer-p-118.html

I want to mount the 3' section above my rear bench seat with the dimmer mounted in the cabinet. The 2' section I want to mount above my slider door, just need to find a good switch for that one.

Hopefully the stuff is decent!


OK, so I finally got this job done!
There are some great ideas and info in this thread, so thanks to everyone for that. I ended up buying some of that 5/8" x 5/8" aluminum U-channel, and mounted the 3' strip of LED's in there. A little extra on each end and it fits perfectly above the rear bench seat. You wouldn't even notice it was there.

I tapped power at the flourescent fixture and ran new wires back to the rear cabinet. Mounted the dimmer with double-stick tape right to the cabinet. I ended up using the 2' LED strip in the flourescent fixture and that works great as well!

Very happy with some improved lighting. I got the warm white LED's and they still look slightly cool, but that's just the quality of LED light. I think having the a dimmer is key, especially while camping at night.
I'll get some pics up soon.
_________________
'86 Wolfy Westy Weekender
'17 Golf Wolfsburg
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Timwhy
Samba Member


Joined: January 01, 2009
Posts: 3628
Location: Maine
Timwhy is offline 

PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Chris for the pics of your install, it was eactly what I was looking for when I
saw them. However, the leds color was too bright for what I want them for.
I was looking for light not to cook or prepare, just something that would light the
area and still provide enough light to see but without the white light. I've looked at
the blue lights mutiple times and thought how could I use them, as I have other blue
LEDs throughout the van. When I saw your kitchen fixture, that was the answer.
From a different thread, the poster removed his kitchen shelf to get at the wires
for new light fixtures he was installing. I didn't want to remove the shelf so that I
could tap into the kitchen lamps' wires. However I did want to put the LEDs over
the sink/stove. I removed the end piece of the shelf and used three 36" zip ties that
I had cut the clasp off from and taped then together. In the end I ended up with a
flexible piece that I could tape my new light fixtures wires too and pull them through
the small space behind the shelf too the front of the closet. I pulled an extra set
of wire through in case I want to add more LEDs down the road in this location.
I already had an LED light fixture in my closet so tapping into that power source would
be the easiest thing to do, to power the new set. Hopefully others that want to add
these lights in a same location can use this information and not think that they have
to remove the shelf to get to wires. They can just run their own, if they already have power
somewhere else close bye. Here are some pics of my new LEDs, thanks again Chris.
Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


Backlit from my other Blue LED over the slider. That one is a POD and is very bright.
Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.

_________________
'15 Audi A3 Quattro
'09 VW Tiguan (dead)
'87 VW Westy
'91 Tin Top
'90 Cabby
What the Westy wants the Westy GETS


http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_search.php?search_author=Timwhy&show_results=summary

http://www.youtube.com/user/TIMWHY2?feature=mhee
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Facebook Gallery Classifieds Feedback
climberjohn
Samba Member


Joined: January 11, 2005
Posts: 1840
Location: Portland Orygun
climberjohn is offline 

PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Timwhy,

Crafty tip on the long zip ties as a wire snake; that's a good trick.

May I ask why you went with blue?

I can see the blue for some indirect mood lighting.

But such an oft-used area like over the flip-up cabinets and stove/sink seems to require more "normal" white lighting.

What happens when you drop some blueberries or Viagra pills? You'll have a really hard time finding them!

But, to each his own, and I hope it works for you.

Cheers,
CJ
_________________
'86 Westy, 2.5 Subaru power
Know your limits. Exceed them often.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Timwhy
Samba Member


Joined: January 01, 2009
Posts: 3628
Location: Maine
Timwhy is offline 

PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

climberjohn wrote:
Timwhy,

Crafty tip on the long zip ties as a wire snake; that's a good trick.

May I ask why you went with blue?

I can see the blue for some indirect mood lighting.

But such an oft-used area like over the flip-up cabinets and stove/sink seems to require more "normal" white lighting.

What happens when you drop some blueberries or Viagra pills? You'll have a really hard time finding them!

But, to each his own, and I hope it works for you.

Cheers,
CJ

With the stock Kitchen lamp lit up there's enough "white" light to see bye.
The blue is for mood as well as being able to see what's there. Besides I don't use
the stove for anything more than coffee and maybe toast. I do all the cooking out
side of the van.
My stock KL isn't really stock either. The PO had replaced the Flouresant light with
three individual LEDs with their own switches inside the stock unit.
One brighter than the next, so I think I have enough White Light.
_________________
'15 Audi A3 Quattro
'09 VW Tiguan (dead)
'87 VW Westy
'91 Tin Top
'90 Cabby
What the Westy wants the Westy GETS


http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_search.php?search_author=Timwhy&show_results=summary

http://www.youtube.com/user/TIMWHY2?feature=mhee
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Facebook Gallery Classifieds Feedback
climberjohn
Samba Member


Joined: January 11, 2005
Posts: 1840
Location: Portland Orygun
climberjohn is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gotcha.

I did not see the stock white light in your photos, maybe I missed it. Nice work, I do like the alternate colors for mood lighting.

-CJ
_________________
'86 Westy, 2.5 Subaru power
Know your limits. Exceed them often.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website Gallery Classifieds Feedback
rockfish
Samba Member


Joined: February 13, 2007
Posts: 740
Location: Palo Alto, Calif.
rockfish is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The other nice thing about a blue, red or orange night light is that the passenger's can turn that light on while you're driving and it won't be as much of a distraction. Not so much to read by - but if they're trying to find something in a bag, etc.
_________________
89 Westy
GW 2.5 5-speed trans

"It's what you learn after you know it all that counts."
- John Wooden
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Classifieds Feedback
purplepeopleeater
Samba Member


Joined: July 23, 2005
Posts: 3117
Location: E. Washington
purplepeopleeater is offline 

PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 6:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Question, I see in one picture that a C-channel peice of metal was used then another an angle one....my question is.

the c-channel would hide everything better but will this cut down my reflective area? I don't want the light directed in one spot (this is going over the cabinets.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Timwhy
Samba Member


Joined: January 01, 2009
Posts: 3628
Location: Maine
Timwhy is offline 

PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

purplepeopleeater wrote:
Question, I see in one picture that a C-channel peice of metal was used then another an angle one....my question is.

the c-channel would hide everything better but will this cut down my reflective area? I don't want the light directed in one spot (this is going over the cabinets.
. I used that c channel and it works as you'd like it too.
_________________
'15 Audi A3 Quattro
'09 VW Tiguan (dead)
'87 VW Westy
'91 Tin Top
'90 Cabby
What the Westy wants the Westy GETS


http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_search.php?search_author=Timwhy&show_results=summary

http://www.youtube.com/user/TIMWHY2?feature=mhee
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Facebook Gallery Classifieds Feedback
climberjohn
Samba Member


Joined: January 11, 2005
Posts: 1840
Location: Portland Orygun
climberjohn is offline 

PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

purplepeopleeater wrote:
Question, I see in one picture that a C-channel peice of metal was used then another an angle one....my question is.

the c-channel would hide everything better but will this cut down my reflective area? I don't want the light directed in one spot (this is going over the cabinets.


On p 2 of this thread, heliodon cleverly used an "L" to mount lights over the sink/stove, and a "C" to mount lights over the bench seat. This appears to be a great approach, as each shape directs lights to the proper spot. (i.e., For over the cabinets, the L shape seems a better choice.)

I recently bought from a hardware store a 4 foot strip of black C shaped aluminum, intended for track shelves, that I hope to use over the bench seat in the same manner as heliodon. I will post back here once it's up.

-CJ
_________________
'86 Westy, 2.5 Subaru power
Know your limits. Exceed them often.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website Gallery Classifieds Feedback
purplepeopleeater
Samba Member


Joined: July 23, 2005
Posts: 3117
Location: E. Washington
purplepeopleeater is offline 

PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

climberjohn wrote:
purplepeopleeater wrote:
Question, I see in one picture that a C-channel peice of metal was used then another an angle one....my question is.

the c-channel would hide everything better but will this cut down my reflective area? I don't want the light directed in one spot (this is going over the cabinets.


On p 2 of this thread, heliodon cleverly used an "L" to mount lights over the sink/stove, and a "C" to mount lights over the bench seat. This appears to be a great approach, as each shape directs lights to the proper spot. (i.e., For over the cabinets, the L shape seems a better choice.)

I recently bought from a hardware store a 4 foot strip of black C shaped aluminum, intended for track shelves, that I hope to use over the bench seat in the same manner as heliodon. I will post back here once it's up.

-CJ


I think this is how i'll do it, L above the sink/stove and C over the bench.

I want to put micro switches on these however, radio shack sells really small push button ones that you can solder in...I should draw up a wiring diagram first as I want to have these come on when the doors open. and have a switch that they can be manually turned on.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
heliodon
Samba Member


Joined: October 20, 2010
Posts: 34
Location: Berkeley, CA
heliodon is offline 

PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The aluminum sections I used to mount my Oznium linear LED strips serve two purposes: 1) they neaten up the installation and 2) they shield the bright LED light sources from the direct view of our Westies’ occupants. The trimming function is pretty subjective so we can all do that to taste. The shielding function is a more quantitative geometry / finish properties exercise. The idea would be to prevent line of sight to the LEDs (or their bright reflection) from any common, nearby point of view while minimizing obstruction to the useful flow of light.

Since the LED strip over the side counter is only viewed from one side, an L-shaped angle section is sufficient to shield the strip. The light over the rear seat can be seen from the front and the back so a C-channel used there shields the strip from both points of view. One thing I noticed while putting my installation together was that the inside surface of my clear anodized aluminum channel did an excellent job of reflecting the bright LEDs. This is good for getting light out of the “fixture” but bad from a glare perspective since the reflection was almost as bright as the carefully shielded LEDs. I worked around this by covering the offending surface with black tape (in my case leftover Velcro.) Climberjohn’s C-channel with a black finish should be a good approach – I am interested to see how it turns out.

I think C-channel would work fine over the side counter, especially if you do something to tone down the back reflection from the inside surface, but an L-shape section is better.

BTW, I recently checked the Oznium WWW site and they have a new wireless remote for the LEDs with eight-step dimming. The system appears to have two circuits but, sadly, they are only used for flashing back and forth for a "wig-wag" effect. What I would really like is a remote that controls on/off and dimming individually on two (or more) circuits.
_________________
Cheers,
Cris
_________________
90 Westfalia (current)
91 Cabriolet (current)
60 Bugeye Sprite (good prep for VWs)
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Classifieds Feedback
Timwhy
Samba Member


Joined: January 01, 2009
Posts: 3628
Location: Maine
Timwhy is offline 

PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

purplepeopleeater wrote:


I think this is how i'll do it, L above the sink/stove and C over the bench.

I want to put micro switches on these however, radio shack sells really small push button ones that you can solder in...I should draw up a wiring diagram first as I want to have these come on when the doors open. and have a switch that they can be manually turned on.



You can probably tap into the power at the drivers' side map light and run the wires back
to the shelf and then onto the rear bench. There's a constant power from this location
and putting in a switch is easy to do, but will the switch be controlling both sets of lights?
Or will you need two switches? The mirco switches that RS sells are rated for AC not DC
for the most part. They will work for what you are doing, so don't let that throw you off.
_________________
'15 Audi A3 Quattro
'09 VW Tiguan (dead)
'87 VW Westy
'91 Tin Top
'90 Cabby
What the Westy wants the Westy GETS


http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_search.php?search_author=Timwhy&show_results=summary

http://www.youtube.com/user/TIMWHY2?feature=mhee
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Facebook Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Timwhy
Samba Member


Joined: January 01, 2009
Posts: 3628
Location: Maine
Timwhy is offline 

PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ClimberJohn you got me thinking Mood/Work light so here's my compromise.

Mood Only
Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


Mood with work
Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


Only Work
Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


Work plus Stock
Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


The Whole ShaaaaaaaaaaaBang!
Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


I'll clean up the wiring after work tomorrow and add another switch to the Kitchen panel
for the new Work light.
_________________
'15 Audi A3 Quattro
'09 VW Tiguan (dead)
'87 VW Westy
'91 Tin Top
'90 Cabby
What the Westy wants the Westy GETS


http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_search.php?search_author=Timwhy&show_results=summary

http://www.youtube.com/user/TIMWHY2?feature=mhee
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Facebook Gallery Classifieds Feedback
climberjohn
Samba Member


Joined: January 11, 2005
Posts: 1840
Location: Portland Orygun
climberjohn is offline 

PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Schweeeeet, I like it!

I tell ya, these Alpina lights are pretty addictive. I just want to add more and more and . . .

CJ
_________________
'86 Westy, 2.5 Subaru power
Know your limits. Exceed them often.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Display posts from previous:   
Reply to topic    Forum Index -> Vanagon All times are Mountain Standard Time/Pacific Daylight Savings Time
Page: Previous  1, 2, 3, ... 12, 13, 14  Next
Jump to:
Page 2 of 14

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum

About | Help! | Advertise | Donate | Premium Membership | Privacy/Terms of Use | Contact Us | Site Map
Copyright © 1996-2020, Everett Barnes. All Rights Reserved.
Not affiliated with or sponsored by Volkswagen of America | Forum powered by phpBB