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dredward Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:00 am Post subject: another take on the 1.8t swap |
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here is an example of the 1.8t with out the raised deck lid:
http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?5083773-...st68391113
I see alot of probs with plumbing in the future with where he plans to place his intercooler but we'll see. Lookin good though..... _________________ Cars owned: 1979/89 scirraco, 1983 gti, 1984 gti, 1986 gti, 1990 gli, 1989 cabriolet(2.0,16v conversion), 1992 gti, 1982 Westy, 1987 syncro Westy(w/ 1.8t conversion stg1 chip), and finally 2004 r32.... |
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D Clymer Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:11 am Post subject: |
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Cool! That's always how I planned on doing it if I ever did a 1.8T in Vanagon since I do care about keeping it below the lid. It looks like he used a hybrid intake manifold with a 16V GTI intake manifold sectioned in between both ends of the standard AEB manifold. I'm not sure how well that will flow since the AEB manifold uses oval runners and the 16V uses 40mm round runners, but it's an interesting idea.
I have an AEB that I've been prepping to put into a Corrado. I removed all the longitudinal mount accessories and mounted accessories from an ABA 2.0. It looks to me like it would fit at 50 degrees in a Syncro without modifying the AEB intake manifold. It has quite a bit of a curve already, and with the extra 3" or so the Syncro mounting provides, it might just clear the lid.
Thanks for sharing!
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danfromsyr Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:33 am Post subject: |
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very interesting indeed, and I agree that's a horrible place for an intercooler.. unless he's planning to drive it backwards.
but I don' t know why I was under the impression that the 1.8T was a 5cyl/VR6 bolt pattern bellhousing so it's the VW I-4 bellhousing bolt pattern, and the oil pan/pump too. nice to know.
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Captain Pike Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:41 am Post subject: |
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danfromsyr wrote: |
I don' t know why I was under the impression that the 1.8T was a 5cyl/VR6 bolt pattern bellhousing so it's the VW I-4 bellhousing bolt pattern, and the oil pan/pump too. nice to know.
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same here.
Very nice engine support he has there. _________________ LEARN TO SELF RESCUE
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insyncro Banned
Joined: March 07, 2002 Posts: 15086 Location: New York
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Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:48 am Post subject: |
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X2 on the engine cradle.
Weird color scheme. |
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syncroluvr Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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I havent seen too many 1.8t motors with a 16v head. That head makes most of its power in the upper RPM range, could be a noisy ride! Full points for originality though! |
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xoo00oox Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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The head is still the 5 valve per clinder one from the AEB engine. Just the intake is changed |
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D Clymer Samba Member
Joined: December 22, 2005 Posts: 2978 Location: Issaquah, WA
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Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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syncroluvr wrote: |
I havent seen too many 1.8t motors with a 16v head. That head makes most of its power in the upper RPM range, could be a noisy ride! Full points for originality though! |
That isn't a 16V head. It's the standard AEB 1.8T (20V) head with a custom intake manifold on it that uses part of a 16V intake manifold.
On the subject of using a 16V head, you could use a 16V engine with a custom turbo installation. A 16V with a Garrett T3 running 12-15lbs of boost makes great power. It would actually be an interesting alternative to a 1.8T.
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MR GAS Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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D Clymer wrote: |
Cool! That's always how I planned on doing it if I ever did a 1.8T in Vanagon since I do care about keeping it below the lid. It looks like he used a hybrid intake manifold with a 16V GTI intake manifold sectioned in between both ends of the standard AEB manifold. I'm not sure how well that will flow since the AEB manifold uses oval runners and the 16V uses 40mm round runners, but it's an interesting idea.
I have an AEB that I've been prepping to put into a Corrado. I removed all the longitudinal mount accessories and mounted accessories from an ABA 2.0. It looks to me like it would fit at 50 degrees in a Syncro without modifying the AEB intake manifold. It has quite a bit of a curve already, and with the extra 3" or so the Syncro mounting provides, it might just clear the lid.
Thanks for sharing!
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The passat manifold might fit under P/U deck .
here is a pic.
The early passat 1.8t AEB and ATW can use the early oilpan and mounts. any later and its totaly diffrent.
On the intercooler. i would appreciate any input. i figure this IC is 2.8 times the size of the factory one. i am sealing the engine comp top from the bottom. and one side of the ic from the other. and with the fresh air vents working and a Negative pressure area behind the van it should Suck. LOL more pics to come. i have seen pics of dreadwards set up and the ICis just in the engine comp. where is the air flow? and does it work well ? dredward? or did i miss some thing in the pics you sent me a long time ago? Thx Greg [img]http://i524.photobucket.com/albums/cc327/az84gti/84%20vanagon/100_3996.jpg?t=1289271666[/img]http://i524.photobucket.com/albums/cc327/az84gti/84%20vanagon/100_3996.jpg?t=1289271666 |
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dredward Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 8:31 pm Post subject: awp/transverese |
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transverse engine layout engingn latot is the way to go for a readson, mainly plumbing reasons....[/list] _________________ Cars owned: 1979/89 scirraco, 1983 gti, 1984 gti, 1986 gti, 1990 gli, 1989 cabriolet(2.0,16v conversion), 1992 gti, 1982 Westy, 1987 syncro Westy(w/ 1.8t conversion stg1 chip), and finally 2004 r32.... |
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dredward Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 8:37 pm Post subject: transverse vs longitudnal |
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"I have been doing good and keeping busy with work and selling tons of MK4 parts. Wow looks like he bolted up a 16v intake manifold. Plumbing is gonna be harder for him.I don't like where he installed the intercooler, its definately in the wrong place.Its gona be hard to get cold air flow there.
There is so much better reasons to use a transverse 1.8T .But I am impressed that he didn't have to modify the engine hatch.I wonder how his vibrations are gona be?"
From someone who's done his swap........... _________________ Cars owned: 1979/89 scirraco, 1983 gti, 1984 gti, 1986 gti, 1990 gli, 1989 cabriolet(2.0,16v conversion), 1992 gti, 1982 Westy, 1987 syncro Westy(w/ 1.8t conversion stg1 chip), and finally 2004 r32.... |
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dredward Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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" i have seen pics of dreadwards set up and the ICis just in the engine comp. where is the air flow? and does it work well ? dredward? or did i miss some thing in the pics you sent me "
My intercooler is behind the pass side tail light, In other words bellow the pass side rear air vent. There is a factory snorkel from that vent to the stock syncro air box. It(intercooler) draws air from pass side rear vent. I will eventually draw air from a fan that draws air from said vent via the factory snorkel to that vent...... _________________ Cars owned: 1979/89 scirraco, 1983 gti, 1984 gti, 1986 gti, 1990 gli, 1989 cabriolet(2.0,16v conversion), 1992 gti, 1982 Westy, 1987 syncro Westy(w/ 1.8t conversion stg1 chip), and finally 2004 r32.... |
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dredward Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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The nxt best intercooler set-up is a water to air cooler, with the radiater to the cooler drawing air from the fr......As in the set-up on Stephans recent apr stg3 swap with 300hp+ and almost 300lbs torque.... .... _________________ Cars owned: 1979/89 scirraco, 1983 gti, 1984 gti, 1986 gti, 1990 gli, 1989 cabriolet(2.0,16v conversion), 1992 gti, 1982 Westy, 1987 syncro Westy(w/ 1.8t conversion stg1 chip), and finally 2004 r32.... |
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MR GAS Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 8:54 am Post subject: more updates! |
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More Updated pics on link!! |
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MR GAS Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 12:42 pm Post subject: Re: another take on the 1.8t swap |
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Coolant Plumbing Finished!!
Thanks Greaseworks for the hoses and parts!!
[img][/img] Deisel vanagon Hoses with a few alterations!!Thx GEE BEE Racing!! |
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Christopher Schimke Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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Lookin' good! What is "GEE BEE Racing"? _________________ "Sometimes you have to build a box to think outside of." - Bruce (not Springsteen)
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Christopher Schimke Samba Member
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(Hand elegently smacks forehead!) I should have made the connection, but alas, I didn't. Thanks, Mario! _________________ "Sometimes you have to build a box to think outside of." - Bruce (not Springsteen)
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