Trip Odometer Speedo for 77 Bay

[obnoxiousblue]

Hey guys, I had posted a WTB ad here on TS looking for a trip odometer speedo for my 77 bus, would like to have the odometer to better gauge my mileage as my gas gauge has a mind of its own even after replacing the flat/sending unit last year. I got a hit today, and not only does the sellter have a trip odometer speedo, but has a nearly new cluster for a late bay. He wants a fair price for everything, which sounds good to me. The question I have is, the speedo gauge he has which he says came out of a 77 bay, the part number on the back is 311 XXX XXXX Which I think means its freom a Type 3. I dont think they are interchangeable, am I right? Additionally, Since his speedo goes to 110, (Someone had a sense of humor) and my bus's only goes to 90 would that mean it would inaccurately measure speed?

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Mike
1964 Beetle
2001 Eurovan Camper

[SGKent]

sure that isn't in Kilometers instead of miles?
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[busdaddy]

[EZ Gruv]

[VDubTech]

It's a Type 3 speedo and isn't gonna work in your Bus cluster. My '71 and '73 Squarebacks both have the same gauge.
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[obnoxiousblue]

I have the paper and pen going now, but the convenience of a trip odometer would be nice in more than one circumstance. While, no, Im not sure its not in KMH, I wasnt going to push the seller before I had a better idea what I was looking at.

Thanks VDubTech, I thought it was a Type 3 gauge.
Anyone here know of a speedo/odometer or have one that they may want to sell?
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Mike
1964 Beetle
2001 Eurovan Camper

[Hoody]

Nos trip meters in mph are non existent.If you look in australia or europe they come up for sale all the time in KPH. Used speedometers are used and will cost you at least a hundred to get right. Retrofit one from a GTI . Or better yet carry a pencil and paper.

[chimneyfish]

They are a bit of holy grail in late T2 accessories. As rare as rocking horse sh*t.

I'v been half heartedly looking for one for over 2 years. As Hoody says, the KMH units come up for sale fairly frequently, although they are expensive at €300 plus in Europe, and when they do come up, half the time the pod is missing so you would have to get the glass drilled for the trip reset button (and I'd rather locate a unit with the original VW/VDO drilled glass - anyone know if the OG units have some sort of air seal where the reset switch goes through the glass, I mean like the VDO clocks, to stop moisture getting under the glass

Australia switched to the metric system in 1974, plus trip speedos (in KMH) seem to be more common on their buses 1977 onwards.

As the others have pointed out already, the unit above you have been offered is from a Type 3, you will be wasting your money.

The part number for the MPH trip unit for 1976 to 1979 buses is 211 957 057 E (they are combination units, as in it has a smaller KMH scale alongside the MPH speedometer scale)

Look here: http://www.ratwell.com/technical/Tachograph.html#trip

If you manage to unearth a whole stash of them, make sure you message me first
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1965 Type 1 Deluxe (1200cc)
1976 Type 2 T2b Microbus L (1800cc Type 4)
Previously...
1972 T2 Camper (Devon), 1988 Golf, 1972 Type 1, 1984 Polo, 1972 T2 Camper (Danbury)

[VWGirl]

I am 500 miles away from my house right now, but I have one in KMH (NOT FOR SALE) That I have planned on putting in my 78 westy for years (and it will be put in after the remodel in the spring). Mine does not have any type of air seal to prevent moisture from getting in, but it is 30 years old so...

If you want any pics or info off of it I will be happy to get them when I get back.
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[Opossum]

[VWGirl]

[Opossum]

[chimneyfish]

Thanks to everyone for clarifying that there is no seal for the hole in the glass.

Opossum - I like your cab set up (and that you are the original owner, that is cool). Just a couple of questions:

1) how did you manage to locate the late MPH trip speedo, any tips on going about finding one?

2) what size diamond drill bit did you use for the hole in the glass?
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1965 Type 1 Deluxe (1200cc)
1976 Type 2 T2b Microbus L (1800cc Type 4)
Previously...
1972 T2 Camper (Devon), 1988 Golf, 1972 Type 1, 1984 Polo, 1972 T2 Camper (Danbury)

[Opossum]

[chimneyfish]

Thanks for that. (I'm not sure about Samba rules, I know you should not post live auctions up except in the whine thread, but this is a buy it now in the UK, not an auction, so I'll risk it and post).

GB £375 = US $604.87 for a 1973 used MPH trip speedo of that earlier design that you refer to - ouch!

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1965 Type 1 Deluxe (1200cc)
1976 Type 2 T2b Microbus L (1800cc Type 4)
Previously...
1972 T2 Camper (Devon), 1988 Golf, 1972 Type 1, 1984 Polo, 1972 T2 Camper (Danbury)

[otiswesty]

I looked for years for a late Bay MPH trip speedo and finally figured they did not exist until I saw recent pics of Opossum's and the one on Ratwell's site. I have a light grey one from a 73 (NFS), but it differs in that it only has the MPH and no small KPH markings like the later one. I will try to post up a pic of it later. I ended up buying a KPH trip speedo for my bus and adding in the MPH numbers and had the odometer converted to miles (set at actual) at NH Speedometer.

Yeah its close, but not the real thing.
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1989 T3 Syncro Single cab

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[obnoxiousblue]

Thats actually pretty smart. I wouldnt be opposed to doing that, or even having a new speedo face generated, Ive seen sites that create custom gauge faces.

Given the obvious fail of my efforts lol does anyone have any leads on a KMH speedo/odometer stateside before I start looking on the other side of the drink?
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Mike
1964 Beetle
2001 Eurovan Camper

[obnoxiousblue]

One more, Is the gearing for speed in the bus and cable or in the speedo unit? If I were to put this type 3 speedo in the bus (assuming it fits the opening) would it read the speed wrong?
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Mike
1964 Beetle
2001 Eurovan Camper

[VWGirl]

response 1: I bought my kmh unit from europe

response 2: speedo cables are just cables, they have no gears. If you change anything that affects what they were specificaly made to calculate then yes they will be off. i.e. if you change tire sizes your speedo will read wrong. So most likely the type 3 would be off, but they are also a totally different gauge...
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