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priss
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I suppose weber 34 icts would be too small then, on single port heads.
Ugg, i think too much.
Get the engine, make it go, so you can move on to other tasks. Focus priss, FOOCUSSS.  |
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mightymouse
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Thanks to everyone for their help and concern.
New oil cooler ordered
Full dissasembly under way, inspect and clean everything , re-assemble.
Looking at those thick wall 88s and some dual port heads and 40 dells.
hmm 1800. With heat. It could happen. |
May i suggest 36 dells over the 40s. 
40 dells are 2.0L and larger carbs. For a smaller engine 36s would be perfect.
And heat, yes for sure.
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priss
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Thanks to everyone for their help and concern.
New oil cooler ordered
Full dissasembly under way, inspect and clean everything , re-assemble.
Looking at those thick wall 88s and some dual port heads and 40 dells.
hmm 1800. With heat. It could happen. |
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i_am_cool_fred
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wow just read all 4 pages of this thread, the entire time i was thinking bearing failure, it's gotta be bearing failure...then i see the pics of the pistons
dear god how lean was that motor????
it took the motor in my old bus a new owner and a good 50k(total)to do that.
sucks to learn expensive mistakes, believe me i know. one t4 motor later i swear i'll never build another all due to my own ignorance and nothing to do with the motor. hard lessons to learn, but in 5 years (at least with me) you'll look back and say "man what was i thinking" again, i was once in this same boat.
good luck with the new guy and the car.
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bugninva
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| Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 8:08 pm Post subject: Re: glittery oil |
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That much damage and no oil filter.
I wouldn't dare just put on new P&C's and call it a day.
I would split the case, drill and tap all the oil galleys if not already, wire brush the galleys and change all the bearings, assuming the crank isn't damaged or else you'll just be back to doing it all over again.
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I believe you are.... hell I won't use a brand new case, or a used one with out pulling the plugs and scrubing the gallies.... much less one that has had that kind of foreign material pushed throughout the gallies....
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BugMan114
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X2. there is no way to completely clean out an oil cooler once its been full of metal like that. you MUST replace it.
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Das Dragon
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I would get a new oil cooler too. Most likely it's full a metal too.
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modok
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Yeah he's right.
Efforts will have to be made to get all that junk out of the oil passages.
I would not go so far to pull ALL the oil galley plugs, but you'll have to get it all cleaned out somehow.
New bearings will be needed too. |
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damicotile
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| Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 1:54 pm Post subject: Re: glittery oil |
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so tell me, how screwed am i
tapped for full flow, but havent installed the filter yet, hose connected.
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That much damage and no oil filter.
I wouldn't dare just put on new P&C's and call it a day.
I would split the case, drill and tap all the oil galleys if not already, wire brush the galleys and change all the bearings, assuming the crank isn't damaged or else you'll just be back to doing it all over again.
Am I right or am I right?
Then let someone setup your timing and carbs for you while you watch.
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modok
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WOW, that piston is toast.
Something(timing?fuel?cooling?) must have been out of whack to create that kind of damage.
At least pistons are cheap. |
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bugninva
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Got a call last night. One head off.
#3 piston burned through. #4 blue.
Overheating not covered under warrenty so good choice by me not spending to send it to California. Gary belives i was way too lean, and way to advanced. . |
likely way overadvanced... the engine talks to you, you just gotta listen(Bob Hoover used to "preach" this). your engine should have been *screaming* to you....
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mightymouse
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Do not Hemi cut the heads! It will ruin them.
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Hemi chambers have been proven over and over to have terrible burn character with aircooled heads.
Its a NO NO, but it seems some are still stuck in the 70s and want to do it.
Compression on a STOCK 1600 is 7.5-7.7 to 1
So you cant really mess that up, and dont need dished pistons OR hemi heads to fix it.
Assemble the motor, .050-.060 stock deck, stock 52cc chambers, and you have that compression.
Cant hurt it at all.
But yes timing and jetting can kill any motor.
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Augiedoggy
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Do not Hemi cut the heads! It will ruin them.
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because?...
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Do not Hemi cut the heads! It will ruin them.
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spanky324
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Got a call last night. One head off.
#3 piston burned through. #4 blue.
Overheating not covered under warrenty so good choice by me not spending to send it to California. Gary belives i was way too lean, and way to advanced.
pics worth a grand, at least. Please note, the builder sent me these as progress pics, which is the kind of wonderfull service attention i will happily pay for.
Deck height was so close the piston was almost hitting the valves too. Compression was too high in Garys opinion, not good with todays e10 fuel.
Waiting to see what the 1-2 side shows. Current plan is new 85.5 P&C obviously. Dished bus pistons if available and Hemi cut the heads to reduce compression.
Looking to get a new set of dual webbers and a petronix and a air fuel guage as well. With the way fuel is going it seems a air fuel meter is going to be as important as an oil temp guage. |
How do you tell if you are running lean so i dont have the same problem? |
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priss
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Got a call last night. One head off.
#3 piston burned through. #4 blue.
Overheating not covered under warrenty so good choice by me not spending to send it to California. Gary belives i was way too lean, and way to advanced.
pics worth a grand, at least. Please note, the builder sent me these as progress pics, which is the kind of wonderfull service attention i will happily pay for.
Deck height was so close the piston was almost hitting the valves too. Compression was too high in Garys opinion, not good with todays e10 fuel.
Waiting to see what the 1-2 side shows. Current plan is new 85.5 P&C obviously. Dished bus pistons if available and Hemi cut the heads to reduce compression.
Looking to get a new set of dual webbers and a petronix and a air fuel guage as well. With the way fuel is going it seems a air fuel meter is going to be as important as an oil temp guage. |
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mightymouse
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yes it will be nice to finally know what in the hell happened inside there.
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priss
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Gary reports The engine is on the stand and being disassembled,
The anticipation is extrordinary........ |
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MikeGatch
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That IS savage.
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SavageManx
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I feel for you man, not to hack your post but I thought i did everything right too
except check the PO's wiring, 2 years of building my first vw and no insurance later
6 g's down the pooper
Keep your head up, and just like everyone else said (Do It Right) |
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