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Bassyaks Samba Member
Joined: October 06, 2010 Posts: 1137 Location: S.E. Connetitcut
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Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 5:26 pm Post subject: Show your Kayak campertop racks |
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Guys I would like to see different style racks used on campers to carry kayaks, also the mounts than hold the rack to the camper top
Here's the reason www.Bassyaks.com
Thanks
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bjrogers86auto Samba Member
Joined: March 26, 2009 Posts: 1375 Location: Halifax, N.S.
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Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 6:05 pm Post subject: yaks |
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I have Yakima racks on the van but haven't yet installed the helper shocks.
My trailer is by far the best way to haul 4 boats ranging from 14'5'' to 17'.
I have tried Thule Hull-a-ports and various stackers. Cockpit down on pads works the best for me.
My spring plan is to improve on my rack on the trailer for easier loading and strapping.
Brian. _________________ 86 Vanagon GL Westfalia 2.1
18 Nissan Frontier Pro 4X
19 Honda Civic Hatchback
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day. Calvin and Hobbes. |
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Bassyaks Samba Member
Joined: October 06, 2010 Posts: 1137 Location: S.E. Connetitcut
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Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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How does the van pull the trailer, you pulling about 2 times the weight I plan on towing .I debating either to use a rack onto of the pop up or to put a hitch on it and tow my Rack and Roll trailer. It all depends on how the van handles with a trailer. |
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dobryan Samba Member
Joined: March 24, 2006 Posts: 16508 Location: Brookeville, MD
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Inlet Samba Member
Joined: April 12, 2010 Posts: 287 Location: SF Bay Area
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Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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800lbs is equal to 4 200lb people. I would hope the vanagon could handle this. |
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Randy in Maine Samba Member
Joined: August 03, 2003 Posts: 34890 Location: The Beach
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Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 4:44 am Post subject: |
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I also do the trailer as it is a lot easier to load/unload them + I did not want to remove the yaks and the carrier every time I went to pop the top.
You could also do with the smaller and lighter trailer (the bed in mine is 8' long but I use it for other stuff as well). Perhaps something like this and modify it to hold the kayaks well? Those are the Thule racks from my pickup truck mounted backwards, but they work well on the trailer.
http://worksporttrailers.com/4x6open.php# |
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vanagonjr Samba Member
Joined: October 07, 2010 Posts: 3431 Location: Dartmouth, Mass.
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Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 5:29 am Post subject: |
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Fhttp://worksporttrailers.com/4x6open.php#
That 4 x 6 trailer is only 350 Lbs - good link Randy! Another option is getting a small boat trailer, like one for a Sunfish and building racks on that. I built a "temp" kayak rack out of wood on the boat trailer 4 or 5 years ago. It was so light, I could move it around by hand easily. I finally put it back to it's intended use this year, but it was great.
Randy - that a nice looking Bay (and trailer) that you got there!
John
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bjrogers86auto Samba Member
Joined: March 26, 2009 Posts: 1375 Location: Halifax, N.S.
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Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 5:40 am Post subject: trailers |
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Like Randy's, my trailer is a Snowbear trailer. Mine is the smaller version, the base measures 6' X 4'6".
My kayaks average weight per boat would be around 55lbs. The trailer is stripped down to the base with a light rack system to carry the boats.
The total weight I guess to be around 600lbs. If not less. I have the straps attached to the bars to make strap management less of a factor. The boats being down low makes a huge difference in loading effort. The Yakima racks are going to hold a roof box once the shocks are installed.
When the day arrives that there is just the two of us, I may consider roofing the boats. The trailer works great and I haven't noticed any difference in power or even much when stopping...they both still suck.
When I finish the spring modification I will post a better trailer pic. Like the van...it's naptime for the kayaks around here...sadly.
Brian. _________________ 86 Vanagon GL Westfalia 2.1
18 Nissan Frontier Pro 4X
19 Honda Civic Hatchback
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day. Calvin and Hobbes. |
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j_dirge Samba Member
Joined: August 08, 2007 Posts: 4641 Location: Twain Harte, CA
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Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 8:47 am Post subject: |
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Bassyaks wrote: |
How does the van pull the trailer, you pulling about 2 times the weight I plan on towing .I debating either to use a rack onto of the pop up or to put a hitch on it and tow my Rack and Roll trailer. It all depends on how the van handles with a trailer. |
I'd recommend you do both... There will be times when trailering is a better choice.. and times when roof topping is better (if your back can handle it.)
Vanagons trailer pretty well up to about 1000.. beyond that it feels sluggish and braking begins to suffer. I'd be looking at trailer brakes if regularly hauling 1000lbs of trailer and load. (I know, I know.. broken record)
Braking is your biggest problem. Servicing the brakes is a good idea anyway.. but I'd be looking at servicing them more often if you load up regularly (roof top, cargo inside, trailer or any combo there-of)
Nice bus Randy! Makes me kind of miss my ol 72 baywindow _________________ -89 GL Westy, SVX.. finally.
-57 pan f/g buggy with a 67 pancake Type 3 "S"
"Jimi Hendrix owned one. Richard Nixon did not"
-Grand Tour, Season 1, episodes 4 and 5
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those are straight line runs with light weight race cars for only 1/4mile at a time..
not pushing a loaded brick up a mountain pass with a family of 4+ inside expecting to have an event free vacation..
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climberjohn Samba Member
Joined: January 11, 2005 Posts: 1840 Location: Portland Orygun
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Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 9:40 am Post subject: |
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Carrying one boat:
Rack on top plus heavy duty poptop shocks from Jack Bombay should be fine. Maybe a small ladder to access the top depending on your agility.
More than one boat on a regular basis, a trailer might be a better option.
I am a whitewater boater, with shorter easier to manage boats than the longer sea-yaks most other posters are talking about. Heck, most times I put the (dry) boat inside the van!
-CJ _________________ '86 Westy, 2.5 Subaru power
Know your limits. Exceed them often. |
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bjrogers86auto Samba Member
Joined: March 26, 2009 Posts: 1375 Location: Halifax, N.S.
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Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 9:55 am Post subject: trailers |
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I agree 100%. Braking is the big issue. I drive very cautiously without any extra load...even more when full.
I never plan on hauling more than the yaks on the trailer. I want the van for another 25 yrs. The roof top issue for me isn't so much about the back as it is about simplicity. The trailer makes it simple to load and unload. My 11 year old helps me put the boats on.
When you arrive at the campsite it takes minutes to unhook and park the boats to one side. Then the van is free for other adventures. The rooftop box may or may not be needed. Time will tell.
In my last rack configuration for the trailer, I had the bottom boats upright on hull pads with cockpit covers on and gear stuffed in the boats. Worked sweet.
If your looking for a paddle bag...a folding lawnchair stuff sack works great.
Brian. _________________ 86 Vanagon GL Westfalia 2.1
18 Nissan Frontier Pro 4X
19 Honda Civic Hatchback
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day. Calvin and Hobbes. |
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f-666 Samba Member
Joined: December 31, 2008 Posts: 5 Location: FRANCE
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Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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floggingmolly Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2007 Posts: 1106 Location: San Diego, CA
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Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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Just a typical Yakima set up I got off craigslist. I had to get the fake gutters (the two bolt version, not the 4 bolt version). I think my cross bars are like 65 inches. Works great, but my fat ocean kayak (65lbs) makes it too heavy to lift the roof with it up there. Maybe with the pop-top shocks...
Drilling the holes was nerve racking, but measure twice drill once, and it was all good. No issues with leaking though we don't get a lot of rain in SD. The fake rain gutters have held up with no issues and I have had over 100 lbs up there. _________________ '85 Wolfsburg Weekender |
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bjrogers86auto Samba Member
Joined: March 26, 2009 Posts: 1375 Location: Halifax, N.S.
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Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 6:22 pm Post subject: racks |
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We get lots of rain around here....snow as we speak.
I used a double face tape to hold the gutters in place as I drilled them. Worked great. I then used a silicone to seal around the gutter. No leaks yet.
The shocks are necessary for sure with boats up there...even a box.
That's in the budget for next season.
Brian. _________________ 86 Vanagon GL Westfalia 2.1
18 Nissan Frontier Pro 4X
19 Honda Civic Hatchback
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plummerdesign Samba Member
Joined: September 04, 2010 Posts: 540 Location: PNW
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Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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Gotta love Yakima because it works with all of the cars here. Change a mount and it fits the Intrepid. Change the clip and it fits the Windstar.
On the Westy two 40 pound kayaks makes it tough to lift the top, so I will be ordering the GW lift kit. One pocket-full of money at a time
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If you look at my Samba gallery photos you can see the rack and yaks, otherwise the YouTube link shows the same.
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Cheers,
Jeffery[/img] _________________ It is old and green and it makes me grin.
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Bassyaks Samba Member
Joined: October 06, 2010 Posts: 1137 Location: S.E. Connetitcut
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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 8:30 am Post subject: |
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What's a GW lift kit?? |
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Bruce Wayne Samba Member
Joined: May 15, 2007 Posts: 1210
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westynova Samba Member
Joined: December 14, 2008 Posts: 209 Location: Nova Scotia, Canada
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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 9:24 am Post subject: |
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I have the roof racks. All I need now is the kayak so i can join in on this post! Too many toys, not enough time. _________________ 84 Westy
2010 VW Golf TDI Wagon
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floggingmolly Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2007 Posts: 1106 Location: San Diego, CA
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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 9:55 am Post subject: Re: racks |
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bjrogers86auto wrote: |
We get lots of rain around here....snow as we speak.
I used a double face tape to hold the gutters in place as I drilled them. Worked great. I then used a silicone to seal around the gutter. No leaks yet.
The shocks are necessary for sure with boats up there...even a box.
That's in the budget for next season.
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I like your three rack set up. I wish I had thought it through a bit more before I did mine. Mine are good for the kayak and long stuff, but too far apart for some uses. And one in the middle would be too much. _________________ '85 Wolfsburg Weekender |
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Love My Westy Samba Member
Joined: August 08, 2007 Posts: 1839
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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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My jackbombay lift kit with the most powerful shocks works for my Yakima rack holding my 65# Wenonah canoe. Much more than that would be difficult to lift the top. We tried it with my whitewater canoe that is about 60# and a whitewater kayak about 40# and it took two of us to lift the top. |
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