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djfordmanjack
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 Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 2:36 pm Post subject: Transmission nose cone / shifter cover |
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Please help !
In search for a proper nose cone for my 54 I came across this. to my knowledge this should be a BD nose ?! How come the parts nr. 21.09.9 ??
and not a 29....
and why is the cogwheel VW badge on the shifter lever?
I've read quite some threads about trannie swapping even in early split bugs but didn't get wise really. Can I use this nose ( if it is an early non synchro BD nose) on a pre59beetle straight axle split case trans (in my panel)?
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djfordmanjack
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Thanx, Everett.mine could be split bug then. exactly is missing the 2 outer ribs and the later vent opening, has 2 holes instead.
I was refering the 21. code to type 2, but it obviously is the part code !
( as seen on yours, has the 29.21.09.)
That's why there's the cogwheel on the shift lever. early split bug probably. Though this came from a pile of BD specific trannie parts.
I will have to check if this will fit the 54-59 bug trannie and my bus . Will post efforts here.
regards Guenter
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Trevor P
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My 53 has the same nose cone as does Ken's 53. That particular nose cone seems to be from early BD transaxles. Not sure about my hockey stick as I have never inspected it.
See the post about halfway down on this thread.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2...;start=100
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52panelvan
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Yes that's a non syncromesh bardnoor one (probably split bug too)
Everett's picture is a syncromesh gearbox one
I don't know if it will fit a pre 59 bug gearbox though sorry
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hi Gunter,
Im pretty sure you can use that nose on an early bug box. That is exactly what Im planning and I test fitted my non-synchro nose cone on an early splitcase bug trans that was empty... it fits and everything looked good, but as the case was empty Im not 100% sure..
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Crashbox
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Like 52panelvan said, what you have is a non-synchromesh nose cone (type 1 up to September '52, type 2 up to March '53). It won't fit on a synchromesh splitcase gearbox which requires a deeper recess in the nose cone for the lower ball bearing.
Non-synchromesh:
Synchromesh:
To mount a pre '59 beetle splitcase gearbox in your barndoor bus you'll need an April '53 to May '59 bus nose cone (part number 211 301 205 A).
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Thanx to everybody for the great info !!! the drawings from crashbox point out extremely nice ! I will have to check if my splitbug/early BD nose can be machined down to accept the lower bearing. first I will have to dig up one of my synchro split case bug trannies under a foot of snow or so 
@ Trevor P: I knew I had seen info already but couldn't find the above mentioned thread. I will have to study this a bit more. Man, I sure got a lot to learn about that BD stuff.
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palmgreen57
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| Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2021 12:37 pm Post subject: Re: transmission nose cone / shifter cover |
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Hello
I update this thread, I have a 53 dlx, the transmission was changed by a later type in the 60's, the only thing I'm supposing they kept is the nose cone with ref 21.09.1 ( see my picture)
I'm now rebuilding a correct 53 with original cases and nose cone.
From what I have read there I'd have the 29.21.09. 1 ref nose cone with top cylinder breather, but when I check my 53 workshop manual I can see nose cone without cylinder breather but with 2 holes...
I also compared to my all original matching March 53 oval, the nose cone is with cylinder breather but 1 rib... 🤔
I'm lost...
My question is what was factory fitted mid 53?
Thank you for your help
Yan
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palmgreen57
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| Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2021 12:41 pm Post subject: Re: transmission nose cone / shifter cover |
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My 53 workshop pictures:
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palmgreen57
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| Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2021 12:46 pm Post subject: Re: transmission nose cone / shifter cover |
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My March 53 bug nose cone :
The nose cone with 2 breath holes I suppose original from my 53 bus
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palmgreen57
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| Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2021 12:49 pm Post subject: Re: transmission nose cone / shifter cover |
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And the 2 breathers design : 2 holes / cylinder breather
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palmgreen57
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| Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2021 10:13 am Post subject: Re: transmission nose cone / shifter cover |
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Hello,
Someone can help?
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