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tristanblue Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 10:36 am Post subject: Re: CV Boot Best Brand and Supplier FAQ |
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Sorry got confusing with the guy from UK posting about the ones he picked up in UK.
So these are the boots/part number you bought and are using. Looks like these are NLA from dealers (at least online) as well...Thanks
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vwwestyman Samba Member
Joined: April 24, 2004 Posts: 5688 Location: Manhattan, Kansas, USA
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raygreenwood Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2008 Posts: 21513 Location: Oklahoma City
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Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 12:27 pm Post subject: Re: CV Boot Best Brand and Supplier FAQ |
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vwwestyman wrote: |
Yeah, that's it.
I think there are regulations for how long manufacturers have to make parts be available, but maybe that doesn't apply. Perhaps it's a covid-related shortage and will come back to availablity?
Other online retailers list it available. |
Well...you have the DOT reg....that states that unique or specific parts must be manufactured for 10 years after the stopping o production of a model. That was way back when. I am not sure how its worded now.
It may not be stocked...but have you tried to order it from VW?
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cellobus1 Samba Member
Joined: June 10, 2014 Posts: 284 Location: East Tennessee
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Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2020 10:31 pm Post subject: Re: CV Boot Best Brand and Supplier FAQ |
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Hi, all. About a year ago I redid CVs and used an EMPI 4-pack of boots, not the ones that came with a complete axle or rebuild kit, but just the boots. I've done about 3000 miles on them, hot interstate driving and 1st-gear dirt roads, too. Used the red grease from JBugs and new GKM Lobro joints from AutohausAZ. Just a progress report, knowing that some boots have failed by now.
_________________ 1976 unrestored daily driver Standard bus, "Stella"
formerly, 1959 Standard bus
formerly, 1973 transporter which was 4 years old when it taught me to drive |
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AlmostHeavenWV_VW Samba Member
Joined: October 12, 2017 Posts: 1965 Location: WV
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Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 8:00 am Post subject: Re: CV Boot Best Brand and Supplier FAQ |
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OEM VW CV Boots FAQs
#1 Are these really available?
Yes, they are. Online VW parts departments, your local dealership, or even sometimes RockAuto will have them. You will likely need to look in multiple places online, or just call your local VW dealership and order a boot from them.
#2 Does that part ***REALLY*** fit our vehicles?
Yes. “Late” Bay windows & Vanagon rear axles and also (?inner?) front axle for Synchro(4WD)
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Syncro front CV
Rear Syncro/Vanagon/ "late" Bus
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Here's the original post I made which walks through my parts-cross-reference-madness
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...40[/quote]
Measuring to compare “Type 2 boot” to “Jetta/Golf/Tiguan Boot”
AlmostHeavenWV_VW wrote: |
kreemoweet wrote: |
AlmostHeavenWV_VW wrote: |
If someone could please take high quality photos and measurements (boot end, flange end, sides) of an un-installed CV boot which is known to fit- I will replicate those photos and measurements on the "1K0498201" for direct comparison. |
No hi-quality photos here, but got some measurements for two brands of used CVJ boots:
Lobro (left in photo):
ID of metal cap - 99.5-99.7 mm
ID of rubber small end - 22.6 mm
Overall length - 110.2 mm
Original VW (right in photo):
ID of metal cap - 99.3-99.7 mm
ID of rubber small end - 24.0 mm
Overall length - 103.5 mm
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I'm back with the "1K0498201" boot in hand.
Measurements:
ID of metal cap: 99.0-99.75mm (<1mm vs OEM VW boot)
ID of rubber small end- 26mm (+2mm vs OEM VW boot)
Overall length- 103mm ( <1mm difference vs OEM boot)
Needless to say, it seems the "1K0498201" nearly identical to the OEM VW Type2/Vanagon boots.
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#3 But, has anyone actually INSTALLED it onto their bus/Vanagon to prove it fits?
Yes. Vwwestyman has one installed already. Fit up just fine. Here’s his description of the fitments:
(New Jetta/Golf boot is left side in pic)
vwwestyman wrote: |
I can say for certain that the stock VW part that you can get from a dealer right now, does fit. Beyond that it's hard to know, but I know it fits because it's on my Bus right now. |
vwwestyman wrote: |
I didn't measure the boot or the axle when I installed it. I can tell you it still needed to be stretched over the splines a little bit, and was slightly loose on the axle. It also needed to be slightly stretched over the ridge that is meant to hold the boot end in place.
So while slightly loose on the axle, it was easily clamped with the clamp provided in the box, and wasn't a large enough amount to have ended up looking like it was pinched or anything concerning at all. Was totally fine. I was/am confident that this wasn't/isn't any issue.
I think I saw someone in one of the Vanagon forums bought a set of the Tiguan boots, so hopefully soon there'll be more perspective to read. |
Hope this helps! _________________ 1973 Standard Beetle
1600DP AK case
Solex 34PICT3 Carb
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JSMskater Samba Grease Gorilla
Joined: February 01, 2006 Posts: 5362 Location: Murrieta California
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Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2020 11:24 am Post subject: Re: CV Boot Best Brand and Supplier FAQ |
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does anyone know if this is actually a fit for a 73 Bay or is the part number wrong? it says vanagon but I heard that they're the same for manuals?
https://www.autohausaz.com/pn/GK-251501203GX _________________ 71 Squareback-FI -- 73 Bay (subaru powered)
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vwwestyman Samba Member
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Wildthings Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2005 Posts: 50338
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Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2020 12:55 pm Post subject: Re: CV Boot Best Brand and Supplier FAQ |
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The CV joints themselves are the same, though I would think the axle would be different lengths between a Bay and a Vanagon, because of the difference in track width. |
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JSMskater Samba Grease Gorilla
Joined: February 01, 2006 Posts: 5362 Location: Murrieta California
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Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2020 4:24 pm Post subject: Re: CV Boot Best Brand and Supplier FAQ |
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thanks, thought I might've gotten lucky and could get an entire loebro axle but looks like im still rebuilding the ends if I want the quality ends+boots.
I have 3 og boots going strong after nearly 50 years but the one that was already torn when i bought it and was replaced with a Rockford boot but also tore - hardly any miles on it, but many years of sitting FWIW.
this time I think I'll go loebro or get the OEM Jetta/tiguan boots that were mentioned previously, though at nearly 40 bucks they're pretty dang expensive. _________________ 71 Squareback-FI -- 73 Bay (subaru powered)
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markd89 Samba Member
Joined: November 04, 2005 Posts: 657 Location: Los Angeles
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Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2020 5:45 pm Post subject: Re: CV Boot Best Brand and Supplier FAQ |
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JSMskater wrote: |
I have 3 og boots going strong after nearly 50 years but the one that was already torn when i bought it and was replaced with a Rockford boot but also tore - hardly any miles on it, but many years of sitting FWIW. |
Wow! _________________ 78 TDI Sunroof Bus
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djkeev Samba Moderator
Joined: September 30, 2007 Posts: 32592 Location: Reading Pennsylvania
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udidwht Samba Member
Joined: March 06, 2005 Posts: 3779 Location: Seattle, WA./ HB, Ca./ Shizuoka, Japan
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Posted: Mon May 10, 2021 12:23 am Post subject: Re: CV Boot Best Brand and Supplier FAQ |
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3+ years now. Boots (Rockford) still look great. _________________ 1972 Westy Hardtop/Type-4 2056cc
96mm Biral AA P/C's~7.8:1CR
Headflow Masters New AMC 42x36mm heads w/Porsche swivel adjusters
71mm Stroke
73 Web Cam w/Web solids
Dual 40mm IDF Webers - LM-2 - 47.5 idles/125 mains/190 air corr./F11 tubes/28mm Vents - Float height 10.45mm/Drop 32mm
Bosch SVDA w/Pertronix module (7.5 initial 28 total @ 3400rpm)
Bosch W8CC plugs
Pertronix Flamethrower 40K coil
S&S 4-1 w/Walker QP 17862
3 rib 002 Trans
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babysnakes Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2021 5:11 am Post subject: Re: CV Boot Best Brand and Supplier FAQ |
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Well my Rockfords have failed. They seem to come apart where the rubber meets the flange. I have to pull the engine on my '72 for maintenance stuff anyway. So after reading everything I could on the Tiguan boots I'm going to order a set. I don't care if they are a bit pricey, if they last they will be worth every penny. Thanks to all involved with researching a viable alternative to the available crap that's out there. |
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Wildthings Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2021 5:42 am Post subject: Re: CV Boot Best Brand and Supplier FAQ |
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babysnakes wrote: |
Well my Rockfords have failed. They seem to come apart where the rubber meets the flange. I have to pull the engine on my '72 for maintenance stuff anyway. So after reading everything I could on the Tiguan boots I'm going to order a set. I don't care if they are a bit pricey, if they last they will be worth every penny. Thanks to all involved with researching a viable alternative to the available crap that's out there. |
Rockford has changed their design, obviously not for the better. |
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bastardbus Samba Member
Joined: July 13, 2000 Posts: 1768 Location: Toledo, Ohio
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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2021 12:30 pm Post subject: Re: CV Boot Best Brand and Supplier FAQ |
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Are the current EMPI CV boots any good. Anyone have and good or bad experiences with the current ones. _________________ Samba Member #95 |
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richparker Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2011 Posts: 6981 Location: Durango, CO
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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2021 12:35 pm Post subject: Re: CV Boot Best Brand and Supplier FAQ |
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bastardbus wrote: |
Are the current EMPI CV boots any good. Anyone have and good or bad experiences with the current ones. |
I am using EMPI boots that I installed 2 years ago. I’ve always had good luck with them and have had them last over 20,000 miles in the past. My two outer ones are showing signs of wear, some cracking, but the inner ones are fine. When these ones go, I’m gonna drop the money on the Tiquan ones. Seems like it’ll be $150 well spent. _________________ __________
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raygreenwood Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2008 Posts: 21513 Location: Oklahoma City
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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2021 1:54 pm Post subject: Re: CV Boot Best Brand and Supplier FAQ |
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Wildthings wrote: |
babysnakes wrote: |
Well my Rockfords have failed. They seem to come apart where the rubber meets the flange. I have to pull the engine on my '72 for maintenance stuff anyway. So after reading everything I could on the Tiguan boots I'm going to order a set. I don't care if they are a bit pricey, if they last they will be worth every penny. Thanks to all involved with researching a viable alternative to the available crap that's out there. |
Rockford has changed their design, obviously not for the better. |
So do you think its design...or materials...or both that have changed?
Rockford has been a fave of the offroad guys for a while. I used to snoop a round a few offroad forums just to see what they were finding worked. Its been a while.
I am afraid to say anything positive about joints on my daily driver for fear they will hear me. The factory boots on my 2012 Golf just clicked over 210,000 miles yesterday and look great.
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Wildthings Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2005 Posts: 50338
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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2021 3:03 pm Post subject: Re: CV Boot Best Brand and Supplier FAQ |
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raygreenwood wrote: |
Wildthings wrote: |
babysnakes wrote: |
Well my Rockfords have failed. They seem to come apart where the rubber meets the flange. I have to pull the engine on my '72 for maintenance stuff anyway. So after reading everything I could on the Tiguan boots I'm going to order a set. I don't care if they are a bit pricey, if they last they will be worth every penny. Thanks to all involved with researching a viable alternative to the available crap that's out there. |
Rockford has changed their design, obviously not for the better. |
So do you think its design...or materials...or both that have changed? |
The Rockfords used to use a clamp to hold the large end of the boot to its flange, but their recent production (or at least what is getting sold as Rockfords) crimps the metal flange to hold the boot like other brands. |
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raygreenwood Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2008 Posts: 21513 Location: Oklahoma City
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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2021 4:11 pm Post subject: Re: CV Boot Best Brand and Supplier FAQ |
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Wildthings wrote: |
raygreenwood wrote: |
Wildthings wrote: |
babysnakes wrote: |
Well my Rockfords have failed. They seem to come apart where the rubber meets the flange. I have to pull the engine on my '72 for maintenance stuff anyway. So after reading everything I could on the Tiguan boots I'm going to order a set. I don't care if they are a bit pricey, if they last they will be worth every penny. Thanks to all involved with researching a viable alternative to the available crap that's out there. |
Rockford has changed their design, obviously not for the better. |
So do you think its design...or materials...or both that have changed? |
The Rockfords used to use a clamp to hold the large end of the boot to its flange, but their recent production (or at least what is getting sold as Rockfords) crimps the metal flange to hold the boot like other brands. |
Hmmmm.....that might make one "think" that its now a totally different product.....lile same thing everyone else is selling (hopefully not).
One thing about boot to flange crimping.....or any kind of rubber boot crimp......its not that hard to screw up an otherwise good rubber part by overcrimping or not deburring. Ray |
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udidwht Samba Member
Joined: March 06, 2005 Posts: 3779 Location: Seattle, WA./ HB, Ca./ Shizuoka, Japan
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2021 2:45 am Post subject: Re: CV Boot Best Brand and Supplier FAQ |
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babysnakes wrote: |
Well my Rockfords have failed. They seem to come apart where the rubber meets the flange. I have to pull the engine on my '72 for maintenance stuff anyway. So after reading everything I could on the Tiguan boots I'm going to order a set. I don't care if they are a bit pricey, if they last they will be worth every penny. Thanks to all involved with researching a viable alternative to the available crap that's out there. |
Purchased when?
How many miles on them?
Purchased from where? _________________ 1972 Westy Hardtop/Type-4 2056cc
96mm Biral AA P/C's~7.8:1CR
Headflow Masters New AMC 42x36mm heads w/Porsche swivel adjusters
71mm Stroke
73 Web Cam w/Web solids
Dual 40mm IDF Webers - LM-2 - 47.5 idles/125 mains/190 air corr./F11 tubes/28mm Vents - Float height 10.45mm/Drop 32mm
Bosch SVDA w/Pertronix module (7.5 initial 28 total @ 3400rpm)
Bosch W8CC plugs
Pertronix Flamethrower 40K coil
S&S 4-1 w/Walker QP 17862
3 rib 002 Trans
185R14 Hankook tires |
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