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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 3:25 pm    Post subject: Re: LED lighting upgrades Reply with quote

I think you're going to hate the pattern at night. they need to "flood" more and the LED's seem to "spot"

at least that was my observation
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 3:48 pm    Post subject: Re: LED lighting upgrades Reply with quote

LEDs are great for being 'bright' for someone behind you but as far as being a directed light they may not been ideal for actual illumination.

You could do a light meter or an 'eyeball' test but they tend to have a more focused beam.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 6:57 pm    Post subject: Re: LED lighting upgrades Reply with quote

Am working on a LED upgrade for the dash instruments. I used Pilot CZ-3143W flexible LED strips (2 to a package, only 1 needed, Pep Boys, etc.). These are silicone rubber encased 12 inch LED strip lights rated for 12 volts. For testing, a junk instrument cluster (courtesy AeroMech) was modified.

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Small holes were drilled into the plastic case, and tie wire was used to secure the LED strip. The strip clears the instruments. A little juggling is needed to get them back into the case.

Am working on a dimmer module which uses the original headlight switch dimmer control as a control input. It's working nicely, so far - adjustable from dark to full brightness. Need to do some packaging and in-the-vehicle testing.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 10:45 pm    Post subject: Re: LED lighting upgrades Reply with quote

Looks nice telford! I did something similar with my cluster using a strip of red led lights. I suggest putting a little dab of silicone onto the holes where the wires go through to hold your LED strips in place. This will keep out the dust.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 8:17 am    Post subject: Re: LED lighting upgrades Reply with quote

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Weird what it does to your license plate....... Laughing


What is equally weird is that the rear turn-signal lenses seem to have changed from the sensible orange colour (as is the norm outside North America), to red, matching the tail lights and brake lights!!! Shocked Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:45 am    Post subject: VDO LED Bulb Upgrade Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 3:52 pm    Post subject: Re: LED lighting upgrades Reply with quote

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What is equally weird is that the rear turn-signal lenses seem to have changed from the sensible orange colour (as is the norm outside North America), to red, matching the tail lights and brake lights!!! Shocked Rolling Eyes

Make sure the LED bulb color matches the lens color. For example, amber turn signal amber LED bulb; red brake light red LED bulb.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 7:05 pm    Post subject: Re: LED lighting upgrades FAQ Reply with quote

What relay are you guys running to convert your turn signals?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 7:29 pm    Post subject: Re: LED lighting upgrades FAQ Reply with quote

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What relay are you guys running to convert your turn signals?

chabanais was working that out. Don't know if he found one or not? Maybe pm him.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:07 am    Post subject: Re: LED lighting upgrades FAQ Reply with quote

VDO LED light
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Update: bent over and bought the official VDO LED bulbs (ouch!).

These bulbs have four forward facing LEDs each, arranged as two series-wired pairs in parallel. Below the LEDs is a full-wave diode bridge rectifier (makes them polarity-insensitive) and some series resistors.

They fit. They dim. They work....

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Here's the results (note: the dimmer was turned most of the way up to get enough light for a hand-held pic with some semblance of focus..)
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:32 am    Post subject: Re: LED lighting upgrades FAQ Reply with quote

FYI: these ^^^ are VDO 600-886 bulbs and are used in the tachometer. See this post for a review of how they actually worked out (hint: less than optimal).

[Somehow there are two threads going on this.]

Another thing: these 194-W4-32 lamps from superbrightleds.com look suspiciously identical to VDO 600-886 bulbs (but at 1/6th the price). Even the labeling printed on the lamps is the same. But the SBL bulbs are labeled "non-dimmable" in the spec sheet while the VDO's dim nicely. Would someone from SBL like to explain this? What exactly makes your lamps "non-dimmable"?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:05 am    Post subject: Re: LED lighting upgrades FAQ Reply with quote

Tcash wrote:
VDO LED light
telford dorr wrote:
Update: bent over and bought the official VDO LED bulbs (ouch!).

These bulbs have four forward facing LEDs each, arranged as two series-wired pairs in parallel. Below the LEDs is a full-wave diode bridge rectifier (makes them polarity-insensitive) and some series resistors.

They fit. They dim. They work....

Here's the results (note: the dimmer was turned most of the way up to get enough light for a hand-held pic with some semblance of focus..)

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I fear that this degree of instrument illumination might be too bright for me and compromise night-vision of the dark-adapted eye. Of course one could avoid this problem by using red LEDs; one's rods in the retina being insensitive to red light. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:21 am    Post subject: Re: LED lighting upgrades FAQ Reply with quote

NASkeet wrote:
I fear that this degree of instrument illumination might be too bright for me and compromise night-vision of the dark-adapted eye.

Not to worry: the lighting is on a dimmer which can be set anywhere between completely dark to what you see above.
As stated, the dimmer was turned most of the way up to get enough light for a hand-held photo with some semblance of focus..

I did try red LEDs and the color just didn't work for me. The readability of the instrument was poor compared to white.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:03 pm    Post subject: LED Bulb Electronic Flasher Relay Reply with quote

Something like this:

https://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinfo/car-insta...r/784/838/


Tcash wrote:
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What relay are you guys running to convert your turn signals?

chabanais was working that out. Don't know if he found one or not? Maybe pm him.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 7:45 pm    Post subject: Re: LED lighting upgrades FAQ Reply with quote

Chanabis, did that one work for you?
I'm in a 77 bus and would love to upgrade all the lights to LED (stop/turn/tail/sidemarkers) but obviously need to figure out which relay is going to allow everything to work at a normal flash rate.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 9:09 pm    Post subject: Re: LED lighting upgrades FAQ Reply with quote

As far as the instrument panel goes, I have a few comments...

1) If you change the indicator lamps to LED.. after a few night drives, you'll really regret it. They are uncomfortably bright. I'm talking specifically about the high beam lamp and both blinkers.

2) the ambient lighting in the cluster itself is a great LED upgrade, with flexible LED strips. You get much better illumination. However, the stock dimmer rheostat may not work well with LEDs, so adding a PWM controller is a good standby option.

3) you will get uneven illumination of the gauges if you wrap the LED tape around the inner oval area. The outside edges are all illuminated directly, but the inside edges only get whatever ambient light is bouncing around the cluster. There is a noticeable light falloff.
I put a center strip on the metal backing plate but it is an imperfect solution:
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 9:13 pm    Post subject: Re: LED lighting upgrades FAQ Reply with quote

obnoxiousblue wrote:
... I... obviously need to figure out which relay is going to allow everything to work at a normal flash rate.


easy, you need a solid state relay. Parts stores carry both thermal relays and solid state relays. Thermal relays are old school; they heat up a bimetal strip blah blah blah. Solid state relays use an IC chip (assuming a 555 timer chip) to operate the relay contacts at a fixed rate.

The relay packaging should list it pretty clearly.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 10:48 pm    Post subject: Re: LED lighting upgrades Reply with quote

NASkeet wrote:

What is equally weird is that the rear turn-signal lenses seem to have changed from the sensible orange colour (as is the norm outside North America), to red, matching the tail lights and brake lights!!! Shocked Rolling Eyes


Yep, given I'm in NA and have single bulb buckets (and an LED conversion) that both utilize just the top portion of the lens, I can't have the more "sensible" amber/red lenses. If I had to do it over, I would switch to the euro style buckets and lenses.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 2:07 pm    Post subject: Re: LED lighting upgrades FAQ Reply with quote

It just pops in and you're good.

Did back side lights:

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Under dash lights:

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Gauge lights:

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Head lights:

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Rear turn signals:

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Chanabis, did that one work for you?
I'm in a 77 bus and would love to upgrade all the lights to LED (stop/turn/tail/sidemarkers) but obviously need to figure out which relay is going to allow everything to work at a normal flash rate.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2019 1:57 pm    Post subject: Re: LED lighting upgrades FAQ Reply with quote

Did all the lights in my 79 westy.
Everything works except turn signals.
With ignition on, they light up and stay on when just hit the turn signal lever to either side/ no flash.
Emergency flashers work all 4 corners only if ignition off. Really fast but they work.
If you turn ignition to on, the rapid flashing stops and lights go off...on the hazzards

I used all superbrightleds bulbs.
Any ideas to get my turn signals to work / i dont care if they flash fast. I just want the turn signals to flash with ignition on
And hazzards to flash with ignition on.
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