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The wire connectors are actually on the switch. Which would have been obvious, but 45 years of German Dirt had me digging around the caked-on mess of my motor/gear housing for a while. The connections are soldered to the motor. Not a big deal, just remember where they go. Mine went purple/black, brown, black, green/black back to front. That is, from the escutcheon to the windscreen. The four wires from the motor to the switch are wonderfully wrapped in a black tube from the factory, and make R&R'ing the motor easy enough with the wires attached.
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| Your wiper assembly is now being held on only by the lower support bolt/grommet… |
Don't drop the grommet down the defrost down pipe. Ask me how I know 
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Baby_Soft
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Here's a photo of that brilliant metal turntable:
<a href="http://s34.photobucket.com/user/skinnychristopher/media/0522141742_zps7cec20af.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d122/skinnychristopher/0522141742_zps7cec20af.jpg" border="0" alt="1977 VW Bus wiper motor. photo 0522141742_zps7cec20af.jpg"/></a>
BTW, this is my first post. I hope this html goes through...
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airschooled
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Hi and welcome, HTML doesn't go over too well here, but you can use [img] tags for now. Of course, you shoul add your photos to the Samba gallery so they'll be here for future generations' education.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6
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Baby_Soft
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| Posted: Sun May 25, 2014 10:45 pm Post subject: Metal Turntable Photo |
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Here's a photo of that brilliant metal turntable:
<a href="http://s34.photobucket.com/user/skinnychristopher/media/0522141742_zps7cec20af.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d122/skinnychristopher/0522141742_zps7cec20af.jpg" border="0" alt="1977 VW Bus wiper motor. photo 0522141742_zps7cec20af.jpg"/></a>
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You want the one that looks like this:
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Baby_Soft
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| Posted: Wed May 28, 2014 8:42 pm Post subject: Thanks! and... wipers not parking, help. |
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Thank you for the welcome, and the link. I apologize for the double post. I would like to think I'm not a tech idiot, but, well, obviously occasionally I am.
So I followed everything in this article, hence the photo I was able to supply, and I now have quiet, working wipers with 2 speeds. Unfortunately, I cannot figure out why they won't park. Current is coming from the switch, and when I took apart the motor (sproing is correct!), the brushes where all in equal, very good condition. Is it possible the brush could be bad and appear healthy? If so, is there somewhere I can source a new brush? A new (rebuilt) motor is well over $100 and what I have works just fine, other than the parking situation. Any advice?
Also, I did the Vanagon electric washer pump upgrade for a cost of <$25 and about 2 hours of my time. What a freaking difference!!!
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What would be nice to know, is whether it is possible and practical, to use a 1973~74 and/or 1975~79 VW Type 2 steering-column mounted, windscreen wiper & washer stalk switch, in conjunction with a 1968~72 VW Type 2 windscreen-wiper motor?
If so, what form would the wiring circuit take?
I have never used Rain-X, but SWW hollow wash-wiper blades, with small-bore, flexible-rubber water-supply hoses are supurb!  I first fitted them to my 1973 VW "1600" Type 2 Westfalia Continental campervan, during the mid-1980s and would NOT wish to revert to conventional windscreen-washer jets!
Here are some photographs of my Swedish made, universal SWW wash/wiper blade kit, with spare wiper blade rubbers, plus a few other commonly available clips and alternative sized grommets, which enabled me to neatly install the kit, on my 1973 VW Type 2.
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| Posted: Thu May 29, 2014 7:42 am Post subject: Re: Windscreen Wipers Refresh |
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| Here are some photographs of my Swedish made, universal SWW wash/wiper blade kit, |
Nigel, do you know if those kits are still available? I'm going to be visiting Finland in a few weeks, primarily Helsinki and Turku .. if they are I might have to find an auto parts store to check out.
I might have to find an auto parts store to check out anyway. Teh one I went to in Berlin last year was interesting... |
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| Posted: Thu May 29, 2014 10:19 am Post subject: Re: Thanks! and... wipers not parking, help. |
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So I followed everything in this article, hence the photo I was able to supply, and I now have quiet, working wipers with 2 speeds. Unfortunately, I cannot figure out why they won't park. Current is coming from the switch, and when I took apart the motor (sproing is correct!), the brushes where all in equal, very good condition. Is it possible the brush could be bad and appear healthy? If so, is there somewhere I can source a new brush? A new (rebuilt) motor is well over $100 and what I have works just fine, other than the parking situation. Any advice?
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Your motor is not the issue. It's probably the trickiest part of the refresh, which might be why we want to blame it 
Study the wiring diagram of your year, or listen up, and you will discover how the parking system works. The gear with metal plate in your picture is the ground path for the motor voltage. The two brushes circled in the pic below are two options for the path to ground. Your wiper switch actually switches two things at once- speed of wiper motor (not important here) and ground path. When the inner contact arrow path (closer to center of gear) is selected, there is always a ground, so the motor always turns. When you turn your lever/switch off, you're actually selecting the outer switched path, which allows the motor to continue turning until it runs out of metal ground path. At that point, the motor has actually opened the circuit so the motor parks itself right there. Turn on the switch, and the inner path is now the ground and the process starts over.
My diagnosis: Your outer path spring brush (not the brushes in the motor) is bent and contacting the metal gear ring constantly, not allowing the outer ring to properly unground and park the motor. Disassembly is required, sorry. Let us know how it goes. You can bench test it by connecting the motor body ground lug to the negative post of a battery or any 12v source, and one of the motor positive wires to the + side of your battery (with a fused wire to limit my liability please. Also safety yada yada yada…)
EDIT: forgot the picture:
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| Posted: Fri May 30, 2014 8:13 am Post subject: Re: Windscreen Wipers Refresh |
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| Here are some photographs of my Swedish made, universal SWW wash/wiper blade kit, |
Nigel, do you know if those kits are still available? I'm going to be visiting Finland in a few weeks, primarily Helsinki and Turku .. if they are I might have to find an auto parts store to check out.
I might have to find an auto parts store to check out anyway. Teh one I went to in Berlin last year was interesting... |
That's something of which I am not entirely sure!
They seemed to still be available a couple of years ago, but just recently I was unable to gain access to their website and I hadn't been able to find anything using an Internet search.
http://hem.passagen.se/zelus
Somewhere in my archives at home, I have details of SWW's Swedish postal address, telephone & fax numbers, which I shall try to dig up this evening.
Here's some of the more detailed information I had previously posted, including some about other desirable 1968~79 VW Type 2 front & rear, window wipers & washers:
Forum Index > Bay Window Bus > 1968~79 VW Type 2 window wiper & washer upgrades
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=186468
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One can (or at least one could) obtain both spare perforated, hollow blade rubbers, and complete kits, comprising two wiper blades, flexible rubber hose, grommets, wiper-arm attachment adapters, etc., details of which are given in Swedish, on the SW Washwiper AB website, as follows:
http://hem.passagen.se/zelus
http://hem.passagen.se/zelus/index.htm
http://hem.passagen.se/zelus/next.htm
http://hem.passagen.se/zelus/order.htm
SW. Washwiper AB, Idalavägen 1, 182 78 STOCKSUND, Sweden.
Tel: 08-85 85 22
Fax: 08-85 41 84
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Much modified, RHD 1973 VW "1600" Type 2 Westfalia Continental campervan, with the World's only decent, cross-over-arm, SWF pantograph rear-window wiper
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I just obtained a 69 wiper motor and attempted to install it into my 74. The wiring was fun but I figured it out. I tested the motor before I hooked it up the the wiper mechanism and it turned fine. While installing it I dropped the motor and went ahead and hooked it up and now it is sticking in one spot and blowing fuses. After taking the motor Apart there was smudge on the side of one of the magnets. I took that off and cleaned the inside of the housing.
Tomorrow I plan to conquer the top plastic gear part.
question the top part with the white gear is fairly hard to rotate without the motor in. I would think it would be very easy without the resistance of the motor.
Fingers crossed there is some goo or something blocking the white gear from dropping it.
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Fingers crossed there is some goo or something blocking the white gear from dropping it. |
probably this.
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| Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 3:47 pm Post subject: what part is this that is broken? |
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While following these excellent instructions, I removed me wiper assembly without much trouble. I could hear the wiper working on both high and low speed, however there was zero movement. I expected to find a stripped plastic gear but instead found this:
Is this a fixable or replaceable part?
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cheaper and much easier to just buy a used motor from a place like buscompany...
206 523 6525
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| Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 10:05 pm Post subject: Re: what part is this that is broken? |
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While following these excellent instructions, I removed me wiper assembly without much trouble. I could hear the wiper working on both high and low speed, however there was zero movement. I expected to find a stripped plastic gear but instead found this:
Is this a fixable or replaceable part?
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I seem to remember there being a fix for this type of failure.
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That's it...
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| I removed the top of my dashboard, easy to do & you can see exactly whats going on then. |
Does anyone have a nice step-by-step procedure with pictures for doing it this way? I think my wiper motor is seized (after sitting for 15-20 years), so I'd like to just disconnect the motor rather than take out the whole wiper mechanism. (Or do I have to take it all apart to get the motor out?)
As you can tell by the questions, I'm kind of new at all this...
...and yes, the Bentley guide is supposed to be arriving today
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| I removed the top of my dashboard, easy to do & you can see exactly whats going on then. |
Does anyone have a nice step-by-step procedure with pictures for doing it this way? I think my wiper motor is seized (after sitting for 15-20 years), so I'd like to just disconnect the motor rather than take out the whole wiper mechanism. (Or do I have to take it all apart to get the motor out?)
As you can tell by the questions, I'm kind of new at all this...
...and yes, the Bentley guide is supposed to be arriving today
Thanks
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Take out the whole thing, you'll be happier.
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Then again, I am replying a year late and did not know that you sold your bus, built a balsawood boat "Tiki", sailed to Tahiti where you became a beachcomber moonlighting as a bartender/piano player at the GauguinGirls Club.
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The now-almost-a-half-decade-old General Motors Door Cushions® continue to soldier on as windshield wiper support grommets here at 109,000 miles on the poor BobD, they work fine, the wipers work fine.
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