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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:46 am    Post subject: Re: Smallcar bellhousing clutch options Reply with quote

ftp2leta wrote:
I did a lot of testing today, calculating the amount of oil in both the SC internal slave and the OEM master. Here is my test system, a big thanks to Sodo. This will not be the final product, I find it big a bit for nothing.

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I am also having a problem with my SC slave cylinder, and just wondering why you would need this pedal mod listed above if you have the SC spacer on top of your master cylinder? Is it just for added insurance? Thanks
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vanagoon wrote:
I am also having a problem with my SC slave cylinder, and just wondering why you would need this pedal mod listed above if you have the SC spacer on top of your master cylinder? Is it just for added insurance? Thanks


YOU NEED A PEDAL MOD!

The issue is that you MUST change the way the pedal works in order for it to:

a) Not ruin the cylinder
b) Allow for proper pedal action (feel.)

Just limiting the travel by external means only keeps you from blowing up the slave.

Your pedal action will still be basically crappy.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2018 10:13 am    Post subject: FRED - Modded clutch pedal Reply with quote

RE: FRED - Modded clutch pedal

Let me start with saying once we figured out the clutch issue, mine has been working smooth as butter for years now.


Now on topic:

Fred IS very busy.

He does NOT want to sell the tooling, too, btw, as it is not worth it.

We spent quite some time calculating and measuring and experimenting and making the tooling.

Simply put, making one or two pedals at a time does NOT cover the costs of production. Every time a run is done there is a certain amount of prep and setup that simply (put) a couple of pedals do not cover.

The issue is CORES. Frequently core pedals do not come back. I spent hours looking for cores. We had like 8 cores but for various reasons that supply is gone.

So if you want to see pedals, find a bunch of cores.

I infrequently check into The Samba but will make an effort every few days.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:21 am    Post subject: Re: Smallcar bellhousing clutch options Reply with quote

Thanks for responding. I understand the logistics of cost/product and get why making a couple at a time wouldn't be cost effective.
Unfortunately for people like me are stuck in a bit of a bind when it comes to having a clutch that operates properly. In the meantime I guess I will have to put my faith in the SCP limiting spacer and perhaps a secondary stopping clamp on inhibitor on the clutch for added insurance.
I have a question regarding your pedal mod though; once installed does your clutch pedal mod work with other bell housings if you're sick of SCP products and want to swap to a different bell housing in the future?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 3:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Smallcar bellhousing clutch options Reply with quote

I don't have any photos of mine, but I simply cut the clutch pivot off and moved it up against the pivot sleeve and re-welded. Right at a 1/2" of motion ratio reduction. Worked like a charm, didn't blow up the slave. Sold the van, gonna keep it all VW clutch this time around.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2019 4:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Smallcar bellhousing clutch options Reply with quote

--------- edited this post and the image ---------

NOTE image says 9mm. Nov 13, 2019 11mm is recomended

Working on this mod today.

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NOTE image says 9mm. Nov 13, 2019 11mm is recomended

I can't see a reason why you can't just drill another hole 13mm 9mm 11mm inward.
It's getting close to the bend radius, but the inside corner of the clevis can be rounded.

This pic shows:
1) The new 8mm hole moved inward 13mm, 9mm
now 11mm
2) the two spacers (13mm9mm 11mm ) to reposition the master cylinder inline with the new hole
3) modified the clevis corners to relieve them from touching the end radius on the pedal. Ground both sides so it can be installed either way.
4) I cut off that un-used arm, much easier to reassemble in the van. Essential.
5) ground the arm to allow more swing on the clevis.

Drilling one hole, grinding the corners off the clevis.
How could r39o and Fred not see how easy this is?
I'm worried that I have missed a very important detail... Shocked
Like its impossible to re-assemble.....or something. Shocked
I'm struggling to get the pivot pin back in....

Would be great if one of those two fellers could weigh in.

Maybe my 1990 pedal is different from other years?

====== dang, no Fred, no r39o Sad ============

UPDATE ---- I finished this mod, and test drove it.
It was a huge fight.

Clutch modulation is butter-smooth---but the clutch is very soft (using 13mm)

drilling the hole 13mm closer---- seems too much.
I have to push the clutch too far to the floor, bending my ankle to do so.
Maybe I just have to get used to it ?

If Golf slaves "almost" survive with no mod, then it only needs a little, right?

13mm is like 20% less slave travel.
9mm is like 13% less slave travel.
If 0% can almost survive, 13% less has to be good enough, right?
9mm hole movement leaves 1mm between the two 8mm holes.

(Nov 13, 2019..... 11mm is recommended)

Using "the math" of 16mm Golf vs 19mm Vanagon master cyl diameters, suggests that it needs to be 29%. (16/19)**2=.71 Consequently there must be some problem in the 16mm and 19mm numbers, because they suggest 29% while reality suggests appx 13%.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Smallcar bellhousing clutch options Reply with quote

I worked on this some more today.

EDIT: Nov 13, 2019
13mm is tested and works well.
11mm is tested and works well.
9mm has not been tested. Nobody has yet provided the information we need to validate 9mm.
At this point, between 11mm - 13mm is GOOD.



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This pic is PHOTOSHOPPED !! ( 13mm changed to 9mm )

EDIT: Nov 13, 2019
13mm is tested and works well.
11mm is tested and works well.
9mm has not been tested. Nobody has yet provided the information we need to validate 9mm.
At this point, between 11mm - 13mm is GOOD.



And note that cutting off that un-used ear makes pedal re-install MUCH easier.

I did my mod at "13mm" but I feel like 13mm is moving the hole too far.
I think 70% of 13, or 9mm would be better. Or try 10mm.
This is my recommendation based on 13mm being "real soft".
13mm works, but I feel like the clutch pedal has to be pushed too far down to the floor, to be able to shift smoothly, and would like to try 9 or 10mm.

And all you need is an 8mm (=5/16") drill bit and a grinder, and a hacksaw.

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Heres a pic of my 13mm mod.
Notice you have to grind clearance for the clevis to swing.
I have no idea what angle it has to swing to, because I can't see it up in there.
But this angle worked.
If you choose 9mm (or 10mm) the grind clearance will be smaller.


And you need "no fear" of tackling the clutch pedal removal.
Here's the thread: Clutch pedal replacement in 1/2 hour! (Pics)

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If anyone with a VW golf (or equivalent) wants to contribute to Vanagon Sambaru science.....

Can someone measure the amount of fluid pumped by the VW Golf master cylinder?
If we have that volume we can match the vanagon pedal+master exactly to the Golf slave cylinder that's used in the Smallcar bellhousing.
It can be matched exactly, simply by drilling the new hole at "x" distance.

It SEEMS like a good way to 'vet' my "9mm recommendation".
This is an assumption, of course but we'll know better when we get the Golf "volume".

Sound like fun?

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Here's how I did it "solo" with this clutch bleeding assistant Wink .
I jammed the clutch to the floor with this board.
Then went under the van and loosened the bleeder, with a syringe piped to the bleeder.
The clutch pressurt pushes fluid out, and displaces the syringe on the graduated cylinder.
I did it 3 times, as you can see its 7cc.

So a "13mm offset hole" results in 7cc per clutch pump.
I wish I measured it before the re-drill.

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Heres a 20cc syringe with the Luer Lock tip on Amazon.20 ml/cc Syringes Sets, Luer Lock(Pack of 6) $8.49
I bet you can get this at any drugstore.
A 1/4" OD, 3/16" ID clear vinyl hose screws perfectly and securely into the "Luer Lock" coupling.

If a Samba member is willing to measure the volume that comes from a VW GOLF master with every pedal pump, that would be great!

Then the Smallcar bellhousing clutch problem will be solved (again).
The slave won't over-extend and burp fluid out.
And clutch modulation will be buttery smooth.

VanagonFred did good work, but lots more people still need the mod than Fred was willing to manufacture,
and ship,
and exchange,
and stuff.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 9:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Smallcar bellhousing clutch options Reply with quote

Wow, nice work. Thank you. So I seem to have lucked out and gotten one of the good slave cylinders at 5 years old (knocking on wood). Or my original wallered out clutch pedal ( soon to pop and leave me stranded) is preventing me from over extending the slave? One could measure the oval holes far end on a nicely functioning but worn clutch pedal?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 9:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Smallcar bellhousing clutch options Reply with quote

Thanks Dan.

FWIW I'm still running "the original," Golf slave/throwout that was installed by Smallcar 10 years ago.
And my pedal clevis pin & hole was still greasy & perfect fit at 190,xxx miles.
It did burp once in the beginning, on its maiden voyage 1,000 miles from home, which was no fun at all.
Clutch fluid dripping from bellhousing, and no clutch at all, pedal to the floor 1000 miles from home.

Bricks were shat.
But the next day I just bled it and it worked again.
I drove home and dropped it off at Smallcar and they did "something" but didn't say what they did, I'm pretty sure they didn't know what the problem was.
(possibly they replaced the slave/throwout unit?)
But they're cagey like that....

I think this was before they developed that spacer 'solution'.
My van did NOT have "the spacer" and the pedal always went to the floor.
So my slave has been getting the full shot, for 7 years (but maybe there was air in the clutch line)

Then I made this pedal travel limiter as a stopgap while I researched the Fred Mod.
And even though my slave has been insulted in many ways it's been one of the more reliable components under my van.
Thread here: Help with Smallcar throwout bearing?

Many have said these Golf throwout/slaves are no good.
I'm not yet convinced.
But y'all can tell i enjoy a good fight. Wink

alaskadan wrote:
One could measure the oval holes far end on a nicely functioning but worn clutch pedal?


A worn-out pedal does NOT fix the problem in "the best way".
Its result is the same as the spacer-limiter, and same as putting a 2x4 wood block under the carpet.
Where the slave travel is limited, but clutch action is still too 'abrupt'.
The Syncro fellers (if they drive offroad etc) are the ones who notice this abrupt release modulation.

The clevis hole needs to be moved inward, closer to the pivot, to change the lever arm and thus the mechanical action.
The new hole added (9mm?) inward reduces the throw and ALSO restores the proper "feel" (clutch modulation).

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Note you have to spacer the master cylinder the same amount (closer to the main pedal pivot).

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Can use spacers ..... or just a stack of washers.
Washers taped together is good.
Whatever distance you move the hole, that's how thick your stack of washers is.
And your bolts have to be that much longer too.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 7:45 am    Post subject: Re: Smallcar bellhousing clutch options Reply with quote

Great work...I spent a bit of time corresponding with Fred a handful of years ago. I wish I could remember the amount of shortening that was done. I can measure the spacers he supplied come spring and report back. My van is tucked into a shipping container for the winter already. Fred was a REALLY knowledgeable and friendly guy, but I think he was busy and onto other ideas in the end.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 9:05 am    Post subject: Re: Smallcar bellhousing clutch options Reply with quote

That's terrific, Sodo! Really nice to watch smart people's minds at work. Cool
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 9:23 am    Post subject: Re: Smallcar bellhousing clutch options Reply with quote

kalispell365 wrote:
I can measure the spacers he supplied come spring and report back.


Good idea.
Maybe another member with a Fred mod can measure their spacers?

I wondered all along, why they decided they had to cut & weld & exchange, when it appeared to me that "drill & grind" was sufficient. I posted and gave it some time, but all that original work was years ago, and there was no response in the time alotted (while my clutch pedal was out).
So I decided to just try it, and it appears to work.

I would like to nail down the "optimum hole offset distance" though.
It's somewhere between "9mm and 13mm" I think. I say 9mm minimum as a minimum because you can drill it and leave a 1mm separation to the old 8mm hole.
If it was less than 9mm, you'd have to fill/weld then re-drill.
But I doubt it's less than 9mm.
And I doubt it's more than 13mm because I'm at 13mm now, & the clutch is super-soft and butter-smooth.

In any case folks can use 13mm, and can experiment with "down to 9mm".
I don't think you can go wrong with the middle, 11mm.
And it's like a clutch pedal rebuild too.

ALSO, there could be variations in clutch pedals.
Where my '90 can be drilled at 13mm, perhaps other year pedals cannot.
Bends are not always consistent (in manufacturing) especially if there is no requirement for consistent location.

I will try to get a pic of an '87 pedal for an example.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Smallcar bellhousing clutch options Reply with quote

Sodo, you have hit the nail on the head on this problem. I totally get it now. I have a friend with a VW shop that I will talk to about seeing if he and I can measure the slave fluid quantity from the next Golf he gets in. Does anyone know if the slave was used in Jettas as well and the years would be helpful but my friend may know.

I am very interested in knowing if it comes in at 7 like on your test.

I too made a stop on my pedal which gave me peace of mind. I made this after Smallcar gave me that ridiculous piece of plastic spacer idea they came up with. My initial install that I did myself did not have a spacer and I drove it that way for a few years without trouble before trying the spacer from Smallcar.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Smallcar bellhousing clutch options Reply with quote

I've posted the link to this previously but here are the photos of mine.

https://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=104200&page=4

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Extra spring to help with pedal bounce on bumps tripping my cruise control
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Had some minor clearance issues with the brake pedal,always trail fit.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 9:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Smallcar bellhousing clutch options Reply with quote

I got some satisfaction from leaving my original clevis hole alone, the pedal can still be used with an OEM bellhousing or RJES.
Which is unlikely.....but still Wink

Top pic is my original pedal.
Bottom two are Mackaymanx.
So y'all can see what he did.

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Mackaymanx, that's a top notch job.
A bit more than drilling/grinding, but satisfying 'cuz it looks OEM. Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:31 am    Post subject: Re: Smallcar bellhousing clutch options Reply with quote

My mechanic friend told me the Slave we use for the Smallcar is a very uncommon one he runs into around here as they are on Mark 5 Jettas which are usually automatics and 6 speed GTI's. So will probably not get a measurement on fluid for some time.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 12:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Smallcar bellhousing clutch options Reply with quote

Thanks for asking the mechanic !!
But either me or the mechanic is going the wrong way here.....
cuz searching 0A5141671F on eBay produces a "compatible vehicles link" listing 135 VW vehicles, from 1984cc to 2771cc V6.
I should have done this first rather than pinning it to a "VW Golf" but I didn't think of it at the time.

I think this is the partnumber for the Smallcar "Clutch Release Bearing and Slave Cylinder Assembly"

---->0A5141671E
and
---->0A5141671F

(these part#s are NOT confirmed)
Can anyone verify the smallcar release/slave partnumber(s)?

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Here's eBay's "compatible vehicles" list for 0A5141671F
Long list, but do mechanics actually 'see' these models coming thru the shop?
(I don't know these models at all.)

2003 Golf GTI Turbo Hatchback 2-Door 1.8L 1781CC l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2003 Golf GTI VR6 Hatchback 2-Door 2.8L 2771CC V6 GAS DOHC Naturally Aspirated
2003 Jetta GLI Sedan 4-Door 2.8L 2771CC V6 GAS DOHC Naturally Aspirated
2002 Beetle Turbo S Hatchback 2-Door 1.8L 1781CC l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2002 Golf GTI 1.8T Hatchback 2-Door 1.8L 1781CC l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2002 Golf GTI 337 Hatchback 2-Door 1.8L 1781CC l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2002 Golf GTI Turbo Hatchback 2-Door 1.8L 1781CC l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2002 Golf GTI VR6 Hatchback 2-Door 2.8L 2771CC V6 GAS DOHC Naturally Aspirated
2002 Golf GTI VR6 Hatchback 2-Door 2.8L 2771CC V6 GAS SOHC Naturally Aspirated
2002 Jetta GLI Sedan 4-Door 2.8L 2771CC V6 GAS DOHC Naturally Aspirated
2002 Jetta GLS Sedan 4-Door 1.8L 1781CC l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2002 Jetta GLX Sedan 4-Door 2.8L 2771CC V6 GAS DOHC Naturally Aspirated
2002 Jetta GLX Sedan 4-Door 2.8L 2771CC V6 GAS SOHC Naturally Aspirated
2002 Jetta GLX Wagon 4-Door 2.8L 2771CC V6 GAS DOHC Naturally Aspirated
2002 Jetta GLX Wagon 4-Door 2.8L 2771CC V6 GAS SOHC Naturally Aspirated
2014 GTI Driver's Edition Hatchback 4-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2014 GTI Wolfsburg Edition Hatchback 4-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2014 Tiguan S Sport Utility 4-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2013 Beetle R-Line Hatchback 2-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2013 Beetle TDI Convertible 2-Door 2.0L 1968CC 120Cu. In. l4 DIESEL DOHC Turbocharged
2013 Beetle TDI Hatchback 2-Door 2.0L 1968CC 120Cu. In. l4 DIESEL DOHC Turbocharged
2013 Beetle Turbo Convertible 2-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2013 Beetle Turbo Hatchback 2-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2013 CC Sport Plus Sedan 4-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2013 CC Sport Sedan 4-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2013 GTI Base Hatchback 2-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2013 GTI Base Hatchback 4-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2013 Golf R Base Hatchback 2-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2013 Golf R Base Hatchback 4-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2013 Tiguan S Sport Utility 4-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2012 Beetle Turbo Hatchback 2-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2012 CC R-Line Sedan 4-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2012 CC Sport Sedan 4-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2012 GTI Base Hatchback 2-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2012 GTI Base Hatchback 4-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2012 Golf R Base Hatchback 2-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2012 Golf R Base Hatchback 4-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2012 Tiguan S Sport Utility 4-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2011 CC R-Line Sedan 4-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2011 CC Sport Sedan 4-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2011 Eos Comfortline Convertible 2-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2011 Eos Highline Convertible 2-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2011 Eos Komfort Convertible 2-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2011 Eos Lux Convertible 2-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2011 GTI Base Hatchback 2-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2011 GTI Base Hatchback 4-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2011 Tiguan S Sport Utility 4-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2010 Eos Base Convertible 2-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2010 Eos Comfortline Convertible 2-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2010 Eos Highline Convertible 2-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2010 Eos Komfort Convertible 2-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2010 Eos Lux Convertible 2-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2010 GTI Base Hatchback 2-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2010 GTI Base Hatchback 4-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2010 Jetta TDI Cup Edition Sedan 4-Door 2.0L 1968CC 120Cu. In. l4 DIESEL DOHC Turbocharged
2010 Jetta TDI Sedan 4-Door 2.0L 1968CC 120Cu. In. l4 DIESEL DOHC Turbocharged
2010 Jetta TDI Wagon 4-Door 2.0L 1968CC 120Cu. In. l4 DIESEL DOHC Turbocharged
2010 Jetta Wolfsburg Edition Sedan 4-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2010 Passat Base Sedan 4-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2010 Passat Comfortline Sedan 4-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2010 Passat Comfortline Wagon 4-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2010 Passat Highline Sedan 4-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2010 Passat Highline V6 Wagon 4-Door 3.6L 3597CC 219Cu. In. V6 GAS DOHC Naturally Aspirated
2010 Passat Highline Wagon 4-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2010 Passat Komfort Sedan 4-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2010 Passat Komfort Wagon 4-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2010 Passat Trendline Sedan 4-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2010 Passat Trendline Wagon 4-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2010 Tiguan S Sport Utility 4-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2009 Eos Comfortline Convertible 2-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2009 Eos Komfort Convertible 2-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2009 Eos Lux Convertible 2-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2009 Eos Trendline Convertible 2-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2009 GTI Base Hatchback 2-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2009 GTI Base Hatchback 4-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2009 Jetta GLI Sedan 4-Door 1.8L 1781CC l4 GAS SOHC Turbocharged
2009 Jetta GLI Sedan 4-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2009 Jetta TDI Sedan 4-Door 1.9L 1896CC 116Cu. In. l4 DIESEL DOHC Turbocharged
2009 Jetta TDI Sedan 4-Door 2.0L 1968CC 120Cu. In. l4 DIESEL DOHC Turbocharged
2009 Jetta TDI Wagon 4-Door 2.0L 1968CC 120Cu. In. l4 DIESEL DOHC Turbocharged
2009 Jetta Wolfsburg Edition Sedan 4-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2009 Passat 2.0T Sedan 4-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2009 Passat 3.6 Sedan 4-Door 3.6L 3597CC 219Cu. In. V6 GAS DOHC Naturally Aspirated
2009 Passat Comfortline Sedan 4-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2009 Passat Comfortline Wagon 4-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2009 Passat Highline Sedan 4-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2009 Passat Highline Sedan 4-Door 3.6L 3597CC 219Cu. In. V6 GAS DOHC Naturally Aspirated
2009 Passat Highline Wagon 4-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2009 Passat Highline Wagon 4-Door 3.6L 3597CC 219Cu. In. V6 GAS DOHC Naturally Aspirated
2009 Passat Komfort Sedan 4-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2009 Passat Komfort Wagon 4-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2009 Passat Trendline Sedan 4-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2009 Passat Trendline Wagon 4-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2009 Tiguan S Sport Utility 4-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2008 GTI Base Hatchback 2-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2008 GTI Base Hatchback 4-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2008 Jetta GLI Sedan 4-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2008 Jetta Wolfsburg Edition Sedan 4-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2007 GTI Base Hatchback 2-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2007 GTI Base Hatchback 4-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2007 GTI Fahrenheit Hatchback 2-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2007 GTI Fahrenheit Hatchback 4-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2006 GTI Base Hatchback 2-Door 2.0L 1984CC 121Cu. In. l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2005 Golf GTI VR6 Hatchback 2-Door 2.8L 2771CC V6 GAS DOHC Naturally Aspirated
2005 Jetta GLI Sedan 4-Door 1.8L 1781CC l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2004 Beetle GLS Convertible 2-Door 1.8L 1781CC l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2004 Beetle GLS Hatchback 2-Door 1.8L 1781CC l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2004 Beetle Turbo S Hatchback 2-Door 1.8L 1781CC l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2004 Golf GTI VR6 Hatchback 2-Door 2.8L 2771CC V6 GAS DOHC Naturally Aspirated
2004 Golf R32 Hatchback 2-Door 3.2L 3189CC V6 GAS DOHC Naturally Aspirated
2004 Jetta GLI Sedan 4-Door 1.8L 1781CC l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2004 Jetta GLI Sedan 4-Door 2.8L 2771CC V6 GAS DOHC Naturally Aspirated
2003 Beetle Turbo S Hatchback 2-Door 1.8L 1781CC l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2003 Golf GTI 1.8T Hatchback 2-Door 1.8L 1781CC l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2003 Golf GTI 20th Anniversary Hatchback 2-Door 1.8L 1781CC l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2003 Golf GTI Turbo Hatchback 2-Door 1.8L 1781CC l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2003 Golf GTI VR6 Hatchback 2-Door 2.8L 2771CC V6 GAS DOHC Naturally Aspirated
2003 Jetta GLI Sedan 4-Door 2.8L 2771CC V6 GAS DOHC Naturally Aspirated
2002 Beetle Turbo S Hatchback 2-Door 1.8L 1781CC l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2002 Golf GTI 1.8T Hatchback 2-Door 1.8L 1781CC l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2002 Golf GTI 337 Hatchback 2-Door 1.8L 1781CC l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2002 Golf GTI Turbo Hatchback 2-Door 1.8L 1781CC l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2002 Golf GTI VR6 Hatchback 2-Door 2.8L 2771CC V6 GAS DOHC Naturally Aspirated
2002 Golf GTI VR6 Hatchback 2-Door 2.8L 2771CC V6 GAS SOHC Naturally Aspirated
2002 Jetta GLI Sedan 4-Door 2.8L 2771CC V6 GAS DOHC Naturally Aspirated
2002 Jetta GLS Sedan 4-Door 1.8L 1781CC l4 GAS DOHC Turbocharged
2002 Jetta GLX Sedan 4-Door 2.8L 2771CC V6 GAS DOHC Naturally Aspirated
2002 Jetta GLX Sedan 4-Door 2.8L 2771CC V6 GAS SOHC Naturally Aspirated
2002 Jetta GLX Wagon 4-Door 2.8L 2771CC V6 GAS DOHC Naturally Aspirated
2002 Jetta GLX Wagon 4-Door 2.8L 2771CC V6 GAS SOHC Naturally Aspirated
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 1:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Smallcar bellhousing clutch options Reply with quote

Interesting list there with engine sizes of 2.8L. All the golfs and Jettas I see around town or have seen in person were always 2.0L. And lots of turbos on that list. I will have to talk to him further about this. Stay tuned.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 1:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Smallcar bellhousing clutch options Reply with quote

My guy says the Slave is from all the ones with a 6 speed trans. The normal 1.8 and 2.8 do not have the Slave. He knows that for sure.

He said Audi TT, 06 Jetta/Rabbit 2.0T and 2.5 have the Slave. MK4 Jetta/Golf have it but only in the 6 speed trans which is rare.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 2:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Smallcar bellhousing clutch options Reply with quote

Audi TT, 06 Jetta/Rabbit 2.0T & 2.5
(are these 5-speed?)
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