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edwards Samba Member
Joined: April 17, 2007 Posts: 58 Location: salem.or usa
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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 11:25 pm Post subject: How to flip a bus spindle |
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Here is a how to flip your own spindle. Suggestions are welcome.
http://barndoorposers.com/node/17 |
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king-tuk Banned
Joined: April 30, 2006 Posts: 211 Location: slam ramon cali
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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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thanks for imparting your knowledge on us Ed! |
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Culito 11010101
Joined: December 07, 2006 Posts: 5866 Location: Columbia Missourah
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Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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Bake Light
Very nice tutorial, thanks for posting! _________________ Copyright CJ Industries, Inc.
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edwards Samba Member
Joined: April 17, 2007 Posts: 58 Location: salem.or usa
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Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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thanks guys, stay tuned for more how to's |
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BulletBus Samba Member
Joined: August 17, 2005 Posts: 1276 Location: Panama City Beach
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Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 5:39 am Post subject: |
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That was awesome. Kinda like that magician show where he tells how to do all the tricks! _________________ 53 Hatch Barndoor
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bubba Samba Member
Joined: May 09, 2004 Posts: 2531 Location: Florida
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Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 6:19 am Post subject: |
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Cool to see how someone else does it. But, after building flipped spindles for a couple of years, the way you are building them is dangerous. Not picking on you, I just don't want someone on here to hurt themselves or others. I'm glad you install gussets that is VERY important!!!. But you need to clearance the king pins some so you don't remove so much metal from the back side of the spindles. It weakens them and they could break driving down the road. Also, 1 out of 7 sets of spindles needs the king pin bushings replaced. That issue was not talked about. And last, I think you need to build a jig to reline the king pins, using link pins, if you miss that, you can't get the king pins removed after you press them together. Sorry , My 2 cents.
Be careful out there building your own flipped spindles, your $200.00 savings could cause you to lose your $20,000 bus. Good luck!!! _________________ ***WANTED***
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Nate@wagenswest Samba Member
Joined: September 11, 2002 Posts: 103 Location: Salem,Or
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Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:17 am Post subject: |
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Looks ok to me. _________________ I like the smell of leaded gas. |
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my65vert Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 11:04 am Post subject: |
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Nate@wagenswest wrote: |
Looks ok to me. |
those pics from your shop? _________________ OGJHC
Kombisutra;
I'm starting to get little wafts of bus stink coming from the north. Something about the unique scent of drivers seat padding when it's glued together with mouse piss and shit that really gets me going... and I'm smelling it! Oh yeah! Time to start loading up the equipment. |
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edwards Samba Member
Joined: April 17, 2007 Posts: 58 Location: salem.or usa
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Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 1:19 am Post subject: |
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[quote="bubba"]Cool to see how someone else does it. But, after building flipped spindles for a couple of years, the way you are building them is dangerous. Not picking on you, I just don't want someone on here to hurt themselves or others. I'm glad you install gussets that is VERY important!!!. But you need to clearance the king pins some so you don't remove so much metal from the back side of the spindles. It weakens them and they could break driving down the road. Also, 1 out of 7 sets of spindles needs the king pin bushings replaced. That issue was not talked about. And last, I think you need to build a jig to reline the king pins, using link pins, if you miss that, you can't get the king pins removed after you press them together. Sorry , My 2 cents.
Be careful out there building your own flipped spindles, your $200.00 savings could cause you to lose your $20,000 bus. Good luck!!! [
i respectfully disagreed with you. Back in the late 90's when i did my first flip spindle i did it the same way. Please help the vw community and post a pic of what your talking about |
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edwards Samba Member
Joined: April 17, 2007 Posts: 58 Location: salem.or usa
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Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 1:20 am Post subject: |
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my65vert wrote: |
Nate@wagenswest wrote: |
Looks ok to me. |
those pics from your shop? |
please stay on topic |
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don.ville Samba YardMan
Joined: February 07, 2008 Posts: 2830 Location: West Palm Beach, FL
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Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 3:36 am Post subject: |
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Not disputing anything posted here at all, so please don't take this in a negative way.
I did a search through the gallery and the forums; anyone have stories or pics of a spindle broken due to the grinding done to it for flipping?
I have seend the grinding WITH gussets as shown above,
I have seen grinding/milling with no gussets like here:
And I have seen less grinding on the spindle and more grinding on the king pin in the area marked in RED in the right side image below
All accomplishing the same end result of a lowered suspension.
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ezcamper Samba Member
Joined: January 10, 2001 Posts: 897 Location: Atlantic Beach, FL
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Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 7:03 am Post subject: |
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I don't remember if this spindle came apart or broke. The rear left wheel came off and caused the back of the bus to lift putting all of the weight on the front right wheel.
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my65vert Samba Member
Joined: November 09, 2003 Posts: 6186 Location: Middleburg, Florida
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Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 9:05 am Post subject: |
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edwards wrote: |
my65vert wrote: |
Nate@wagenswest wrote: |
Looks ok to me. |
those pics from your shop? |
please stay on topic |
I am on topic, you work for Nate in his shop so I am assuming those are wagenswest spindles. Sorry for putting it out there. _________________ OGJHC
Kombisutra;
I'm starting to get little wafts of bus stink coming from the north. Something about the unique scent of drivers seat padding when it's glued together with mouse piss and shit that really gets me going... and I'm smelling it! Oh yeah! Time to start loading up the equipment. |
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my65vert Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 9:08 am Post subject: |
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ezcamper wrote: |
I don't remember if this spindle came apart or broke. The rear left wheel came off and caused the back of the bus to lift putting all of the weight on the front right wheel.
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The spindle came apart, the kingpin came out from the force of the bus slamming down after loosing the back wheel. (those spindles where made by someone in lakeland Will said). _________________ OGJHC
Kombisutra;
I'm starting to get little wafts of bus stink coming from the north. Something about the unique scent of drivers seat padding when it's glued together with mouse piss and shit that really gets me going... and I'm smelling it! Oh yeah! Time to start loading up the equipment. |
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srfndoc Samba Member
Joined: August 21, 2010 Posts: 3275 Location: SoCal
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Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 9:53 am Post subject: |
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How did they get that thing on the trailer? Drag it up?
I think people always question non-stock parts, especially suspension
parts due to the load they carry. I hear the same concerns about welded spindles used on bay windows but I've never seen or heard of one failing. I think we all want to be safe out there so it's good to discuss the way these things are done. _________________ RPM=(MPH*336* (R&P*4th*1.26))/Tire Diameter in inches |
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ekimikem Samba Member
Joined: May 16, 2004 Posts: 438 Location: Coeur d'Alene, Idaho
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Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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Awesome tutorial!.... and some people think you have to be smart to do this poop. |
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edwards Samba Member
Joined: April 17, 2007 Posts: 58 Location: salem.or usa
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 12:07 am Post subject: |
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ekimikem wrote: |
Awesome tutorial!.... and some people think you have to be smart to do this poop. |
agreed |
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mtb7001 Samba Member
Joined: February 11, 2009 Posts: 899 Location: Meridian Idaho
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 12:28 am Post subject: |
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my65vert wrote: |
edwards wrote: |
my65vert wrote: |
Nate@wagenswest wrote: |
Looks ok to me. |
those pics from your shop? |
please stay on topic |
I am on topic, you work for Nate in his shop so I am assuming those are wagenswest spindles. Sorry for putting it out there. |
either way, it's totally on topic. Lots of shit I'll do to my own bus but sometimes it's better left to someone who has done it a hundred times or more. You decide.
after looking at the pics in that link, no offense but that shit scares the f out of me, my bad for growing up in my dads machine and welding shop... but whoa wtf. I seriously hope some homey with a harbor fright grinder and welder doesn't endanger his life. forgive me if that sounds harsh, I could be totally off base. _________________ 63 15 window deluxe Turkis walk through 1500
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bubba Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 9:14 am Post subject: |
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my65vert wrote: |
ezcamper wrote: |
I don't remember if this spindle came apart or broke. The rear left wheel came off and caused the back of the bus to lift putting all of the weight on the front right wheel.
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The spindle came apart, the kingpin came out from the force of the bus slamming down after loosing the back wheel. (those spindles where made by someone in lakeland Will said). |
I don't think anything would have held up to want that bus with through. _________________ ***WANTED***
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Culito 11010101
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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bubba wrote: |
I don't think anything would have held up to want that bus with through. |
Do what now? _________________ Copyright CJ Industries, Inc.
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