Upper drink tray identification

[eric m]

55-62 style, note 90-degree corners:
(This exact tray is 59-61 from the upholstery pattern)

63-64 style (rounded corners on top tray)

Closeups

1965-67 style
(From a 1965)

Rubber insert detail

Detail photos of drink trays in Buses:
Early Deluxe

1957 Green/Green Standard

1961 Caramel interior for Mango Bus

Close up

1967 Deluxe:

Installation order of parts, thanks to Clara:
- rubber mat at bottom
- metal trim piece that goes all the way across. (It goes on top of the top edge of the rubber mat.)
- Middle 'bulgey' panel, with the fabric flaps out
- Side pieces, which hold the fabric flaps against the bulkhead. This keeps the edges of the bulge from popping out across the side panels
- Top


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Original post:

I need some
Help identifying this drink tray frame .its going in a 63 15 window. The bulkhead was cut out and replaced, so I'm not sure if any of the panels And the partition are original.so my question is could someone tell me if this frame takes the 63-64 trim or the later rubber stuff?

[Clara]

There are three kind of microbus bulkhead panels 55-67

55-62
63-64
65-67

that is 65-67. or 221 867 721B

I'd have to dig up some pics to show what I mean, but to be correct you want the 63-64 version, or 221 867 721A.
parts list, see #31

[eric m]

ok, thanks! Im going to have to roll with what i have for now .So i will need the rubber stuff. Is anyone reproducing it or will i have to salvage some?

[campingbox]

The upper chrome trim for a '63 is available new, I think you might be able to make it work with what you have.

[BarryL]

The one in the picture looks like a '65.

[EverettB]

I am adding this thread to the FAQ so I will build a summary in the first post.

Please see the updates and comment if anything needs to be added or corrected.


To the original poster:
The green tray pics above are correct for your '63.
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[Clara]

FWIW,
when installing the order is:

- rubber mat at bottom
- metal trim piece that goes all the way across. (It goes on top of the top edge of the rubber mat.)
- Middle 'bulgey' panel, with the fabric flaps out
- Side pieces, which hold the fabric flaps against the bulkhead. This keeps the edges of the bulge from popping out across the side panels
- Top

Tar strips that go under the bulkhead paneling in 62 microbus:

There are some rubbery wedges used in the later version

[Clara]

Note that on the caramel interior the fabric on the top half of the bulkhead bulge, and the tray top, does NOT have the heat seams.
The fabric on the top half of the side panels does have the heat seams.

1961 Caramel interior for Mango Bus

Close up

[eric m]

Does anyone have a pic of the frame for the 63-64 ? I'm guessing it has a raised lip that the aluminum trim goes over but is the same curve as the 65-67 frame. The one I have has a single groove in the center.

[EverettB]

See 1st post of this thread, I added some pics.

The answer to your question is yes.
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[nlorntson]

Here are more drink tray pics from a 1957 deluxe

[eric m]

So is there a reproduction source for the rubber that goes around the later drink trays?

[Clara]

[Clara]

The center bulkhead panel is p/n 221 867 705 for 55-62
the parts list page below shows 221 867 705 B for from 971 550
It omits 221 867 705 A

The A, or 63/64 version is, in fact, a different shape from the 65-67 version. This is one of the cases where the parts list has a supersession.
I am not sure if the parts would interchange tidily.
Pictures may come in a few days.

bottom line: you have to know how to read the parts list.

[Bullireisen]

[Clara]

Yes, I have originals of the center bulkhead panels
221 867 705 for 20-117 902 though 971 549 (3/55 through 7/62)
221 867 705 A for 971 550 through 1 328 871 (8/62 through 7/64) - this is omitted from the online edition of the parts list, but is in fact a different part
and
221 867 705 B, for from 225 000 001 (from 8/64 through end 67 model year production)
They are all different.

The frames 221 867 721 plain, A, and B are also all different
Everett posted pics of the frames and the center panels above

I will try to get some pics up with side by side comparison.

[Bullireisen]

Hi Clara,
thanks. Could you please send me your desk top version of the part list? All I have, desktop or online have the omits.
So are you sure that there is a difference in 221 867 705 A and 221 867 705 B. Couldn´t they be the same, only the frames 221 867 721 A and 221 867 721 B are different? I thinkt that they didn´t change the sparewheel mould again.

221 867 705 I did copy and it fits.
Difference between 221 867 705 A and 221 867 705 B was interesting. Could you please measure and compare the unrolling of the upper lengh of the panel or frame of the A and B panels?
Tomorow I will email with WW to ask for the beading frame 221 867 731 and if they make a difference between 221 867 721 A and 221 867 721 B.

I have an other question and it seems that you are extremly fit with the original interior. You wrote:

[Clara]

From physically comparing the center bulkhead panels from a 63 to a 65, I could tell they are, in fact, different.
To get the details of the frames, I would buy nice originals.
For the details of the interiors, some bits I remember, and some bits I search the gallery for detail pics.
The kick panels for around the headlight buckets are not heat seamed on any of the interiors.

The 'white' part of the soft green interior gets greener with age. If you compare the bit of material folded around the back of the panel, that gives a more accurate idea of what the original was like.

This is more original

The limegreen color is more aged:

[Bullireisen]

Hi Clara,

thank you very much for your work. Perhaps I can give it back, perhaps in hardware, when the delivery wasn´t so expensive.

I found also this: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/1308349.jpg You are right with it becomes darker and more colored, if it gets older. But I think it was not that white like on your picture. It´s bad not to have an original, but I´m surching for more than 1 year in germany... nothing.

So I had a better look on the WW-Side. The moldigset 65-67 is a litle cheaper than the other and doese not include the upper center bulkhead molding.

Kick panels are not heat seamed for all models and years, that´s right but there are 4 different models.

I counted the heat seams in the middle of the panels on one picture that was good enough here on thesamba.com. That are 8, but are they running through from the center bulkheadpanel to the side bulkheadpanels? That would mean, they must be in different hight between the center panel and the side panels because of the center bulkhead panel forming an angle to the bulkhead. And then the lines must runn trough from the left bulkhead sidepanel to the left long sidepanel. But this I guess, I can hardly identify that on the bad resolution pictures, so I don´t know. I you could, please help here.
With the later interior caramelbrown I gess they put the flat material on the upper part of the center bulkheadpanel not to have the problems with throughrunning lines any more, that´s what you already told.

[Clara]