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Those require a fitting to be welded into a (non-stock) muffler, right?
If you are running headers, I'd have a shop weld in a bung and cap it, just so you have the option. Then you can use common O2 sensors and monitor it on the fly, or plug it for normal driving.
Shop CO sniffers are slow to react (10-15 seconds), though useful for idle and high-rpm steady state tuning. |
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Those require a fitting to be welded into a (non-stock) muffler, right?
If you are running headers, I'd have a shop weld in a bung and cap it, just so you have the option. Then you can use common O2 sensors and monitor it on the fly, or plug it for normal driving.
Shop CO sniffers are slow to react (10-15 seconds), though useful for idle and high-rpm steady state tuning. |
I have a stock exhaust, but was told it could have a bung added. If I was to do it, I put it on the driver's side heater box. That be the most close to the source, and the cylinder that needs to run the richest. Plus, it would not get a false reading from turbulence the muffler has.
Apparently readings can vary from cylinder to cylinder, and thus why aircraft have head and exhaust temperature on each cylinder and exhaust pipe/manifold. Temperature can indicate mixture but takes a bit of knowledge and only works as far as I know at a constant R.P.M..
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Those require a fitting to be welded into a (non-stock) muffler, right?
If you are running headers, I'd have a shop weld in a bung and cap it, just so you have the option. Then you can use common O2 sensors and monitor it on the fly, or plug it for normal driving.
Shop CO sniffers are slow to react (10-15 seconds), though useful for idle and high-rpm steady state tuning. |
I have a stock exhaust, but was told it could have a bung added. If I was to do it, I put it on the driver's side heater box. That be the most close to the source, and the cylinder that needs to run the richest. Plus, it would not get a false reading from turbulence the muffler has.
Apparently readings can vary from cylinder to cylinder, and thus why aircraft have head and exhaust temperature on each cylinder and exhaust pipe/manifold. Temperature can indicate mixture but takes a bit of knowledge and only works as far as I know at a constant R.P.M.. |
adriel unless you have the bung added to the part of the heater box where it meets the muffler (not much space there...) you're not going to get a real reading. the heaterbox doesn't have exhaust gas running through it in the part thats accessible from the outside, and you'd have to drill a huge hole through the internal baffles. I just doesn't make sense to put it there.
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Adriel Rowley
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Those require a fitting to be welded into a (non-stock) muffler, right?
If you are running headers, I'd have a shop weld in a bung and cap it, just so you have the option. Then you can use common O2 sensors and monitor it on the fly, or plug it for normal driving.
Shop CO sniffers are slow to react (10-15 seconds), though useful for idle and high-rpm steady state tuning. |
I have a stock exhaust, but was told it could have a bung added. If I was to do it, I put it on the driver's side heater box. That be the most close to the source, and the cylinder that needs to run the richest. Plus, it would not get a false reading from turbulence the muffler has.
Apparently readings can vary from cylinder to cylinder, and thus why aircraft have head and exhaust temperature on each cylinder and exhaust pipe/manifold. Temperature can indicate mixture but takes a bit of knowledge and only works as far as I know at a constant R.P.M.. |
adriel unless you have the bung added to the part of the heater box where it meets the muffler (not much space there...) you're not going to get a real reading. the heaterbox doesn't have exhaust gas running through it in the part thats accessible from the outside, and you'd have to drill a huge hole through the internal baffles. I just doesn't make sense to put it there. |
Joe I think there is enough room between the jacket and the flange that mounts to the head to have a bung there: is there not? If not, the jacket apparently is not all that important, as when I asked about holes in mine, folks said it was fine. So, even if it was not a perfect fit, a bit of trimming could be done?
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https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=9252810#9252810
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No, they just use a probe up the tailpipe. Your exhaust system must be leak free for a correct reading.
Cars that have test bungs have them so that you can see if your cat. converter is plugged. You remove the cap and see if the car runs better.
This is the one I carry along when I'm working off site.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Kal-Portable-Exhaus...500wt_1001
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No, they just use a probe up the tailpipe. Your exhaust system must be leak free for a correct reading.
Cars that have test bungs have them so that you can see if your cat. converter is plugged. You remove the cap and see if the car runs better.
This is the one I carry along when I'm working off site.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Kal-Portable-Exhaus...500wt_1001 |
Here's another one:
http://cgi.ebay.com/PORTABLE-EXHAUST-GAS-ANALYZER-...4441wt_959
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damn. might have to pick myself up one of these if the price stays reasonable...
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Well worth it. It takes the guesswork right out of tuning. Get it to proper valve adjustment, point gap, idle speed and timing, and set your CO value with this to 13 on the scale at op temp, and you'll be amazed at how your pile of shit runs. When you get it right at 13 you can perceptibly feel the exhaust cool right down.
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| damn. might have to pick myself up one of these if the price stays reasonable... |
Well worth it. It takes the guesswork right out of tuning. Get it to proper valve adjustment, point gap, idle speed and timing, and set your CO value with this to 13 on the scale at op temp, and you'll be amazed at how your pile of shit runs. When you get it right at 13 you can perceptibly feel the exhaust cool right down. |
I smell a new tool making its way into my red treasure chest...
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I'm in Rancho Cucamonga and I have a wideband, if you have a bung welded, I can check it for you.
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No, they just use a probe up the tailpipe. Your exhaust system must be leak free for a correct reading.
Cars that have test bungs have them so that you can see if your cat. converter is plugged. You remove the cap and see if the car runs better.
This is the one I carry along when I'm working off site.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Kal-Portable-Exhaus...500wt_1001 |
Georg, thank you for posting them. I have possibly seen them, but see how low they start? Almost guaranteed they will go over $100. Do not know why this pattern exists, but I have been watching it happen over and over. Thus, why I am asking to borrow: do not have $150 available.
Why can one have no exhaust leaks? The stock system does a little no matter what, though think I solved it.
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| damn. might have to pick myself up one of these if the price stays reasonable... |
But how are we not going to bid against each other?
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| JSMskater wrote: |
| damn. might have to pick myself up one of these if the price stays reasonable... |
Well worth it. It takes the guesswork right out of tuning. Get it to proper valve adjustment, point gap, idle speed and timing, and set your CO value with this to 13 on the scale at op temp, and you'll be amazed at how your pile of shit runs. When you get it right at 13 you can perceptibly feel the exhaust cool right down. |
Is this exhaust cooling for both rich and lean conditions? I would think only lean, as fuel cools things.
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| Tram wrote: |
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| damn. might have to pick myself up one of these if the price stays reasonable... |
Well worth it. It takes the guesswork right out of tuning. Get it to proper valve adjustment, point gap, idle speed and timing, and set your CO value with this to 13 on the scale at op temp, and you'll be amazed at how your pile of shit runs. When you get it right at 13 you can perceptibly feel the exhaust cool right down. |
I smell a new tool making its way into my red treasure chest... |
Joe, since you are blessed with money, what is the highest you would pay? Maybe that is a way not to bid against each other.
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https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=9252810#9252810
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Joe, since you are blessed with money, what is the highest you would pay? Maybe that is a way not to bid against each other. |
I'm not blessed. I work. A lot. Even in school, I work 20hrs a week. As my dad says "money doesn't grow on trees".
even at 150, thats 100 or more cheaper than the cheapest wideband 02 sensor, and thats before you go out and buy the oxygen sensor and have the bung welded on. 150 is dirt cheap for a tool. Adriel -- you wonder why the price goes over 100... thats because thats what it's worth. Ebay bids start low but they NEVER stay there, unless the bidding ends at some obscure hour and nobody seems to want it, likely because its broken or missing pieces.
As for bidding against each other, I'm not going to bid on either one of these. I have to pay for other things in the short term and so I'll have to watch and wait for another one to come up -- facts of life. I just didn't know they were this cheap! Now that I know what to look for, I definitely am going to pick one up as soon as the funds allow.
My advice: do some oddjobs on craigslist like helping someone move or weeding their garden or something. Do it 2 or 3 times and you'll have plenty of cash for a tool. collecting bottles n cans works too! I used to pay my entire electric bill going around my apartment complex and picking up all the beer cans my neighbors would leave laying out in front of their apartments.
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No, they just use a probe up the tailpipe. Your exhaust system must be leak free for a correct reading.
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I bought a similar CO tester, but have not used it yet. My understanding is that they are slow to react (10-15 seconds), and therefore are good for idle and steady-state high rpm setting; accel circuits can't be checked because of the lag time of the tester.
Also, some have sensor pipes that are straight. How well do they work with the bent tailpipe end on out T3 stockers? The probe can't make it past the bend. Is this a problem? Should I try to shroud the outlet with aluminum foil or something similar? Can I rig a flexible metal extension tube without screwing up the readings?
My goal is to fiddle with a spare (and already maladjusted) MPS to get idle and main running correct with the meter (lean enough to improve my current 20-22 MPG), and then use trial and error to set the full load stop (end plug) for adequate richness on full throttle acceleration. This is on a stock EFI '71.
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Joe, since you are blessed with money, what is the highest you would pay? Maybe that is a way not to bid against each other. |
I'm not blessed. I work. A lot. Even in school, I work 20hrs a week. As my dad says "money doesn't grow on trees".
even at 150, thats 100 or more cheaper than the cheapest wideband 02 sensor, and thats before you go out and buy the oxygen sensor and have the bung welded on. 150 is dirt cheap for a tool. Adriel -- you wonder why the price goes over 100... thats because thats what it's worth. Ebay bids start low but they NEVER stay there, unless the bidding ends at some obscure hour and nobody seems to want it, likely because its broken or missing pieces.
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I shopped around and got my AEM WBO2 setup for $180 shipped. I welded the bung on myself with a crappy arc welder. Its got a cool gauge and most importantly a analog output for my MS setup. Its not just a tool I use once or twice, but something I use everytime I drive my car. Worth every penny.
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Joe, since you are blessed with money, what is the highest you would pay? Maybe that is a way not to bid against each other. |
I'm not blessed. I work. A lot. Even in school, I work 20hrs a week. As my dad says "money doesn't grow on trees".
even at 150, thats 100 or more cheaper than the cheapest wideband 02 sensor, and thats before you go out and buy the oxygen sensor and have the bung welded on. 150 is dirt cheap for a tool. Adriel -- you wonder why the price goes over 100... thats because thats what it's worth. Ebay bids start low but they NEVER stay there, unless the bidding ends at some obscure hour and nobody seems to want it, likely because its broken or missing pieces.
As for bidding against each other, I'm not going to bid on either one of these. I have to pay for other things in the short term and so I'll have to watch and wait for another one to come up -- facts of life. I just didn't know they were this cheap! Now that I know what to look for, I definitely am going to pick one up as soon as the funds allow.
My advice: do some oddjobs on craigslist like helping someone move or weeding their garden or something. Do it 2 or 3 times and you'll have plenty of cash for a tool. collecting bottles n cans works too! I used to pay my entire electric bill going around my apartment complex and picking up all the beer cans my neighbors would leave laying out in front of their apartments. |
Joe, you just come off that way in part because of your hard working folks and the number of cars you own.  I too am blessed, but not as much.
I do not see how they are worth $100, but maybe it is because I have a different perspective. I mean, our family has been frugal for over a century, if not more. Good German heritage according to Georg. Maybe that is why you seem like you have more: you are willing to pay more.
Fine, good to know. I hate the fact we can no longer see who is bidding, as we could be in a war against someone on theSamba. Makes no since why they changed it.
I am just going to take it from my stipend and pay it back later. BettyAnn is being a bit persistent about me working this Summer, but I was not sure what to do. Thanks to you Joe, I have some idea. I did ask Jack for help, but his only comment was a snide remark of it was about time. Big issue is my hair which is now reached my lower back. Having hair longer than most girls makes people wonder, call me fag or hooker, or just plain scared. It is the latter that I quit wearing facial hair: just too much red.
I have been looking for recyclables, but it seems folks are a bit too tidy. Our group last semester was going to do it until we could not find much.  What if I had my room mates give me there cans? Might make a few bucks considering the amount of Red Bull and Cola they drink. Even going to have a party on Friday... 
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https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=9252810#9252810
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Joe, since you are blessed with money, what is the highest you would pay? Maybe that is a way not to bid against each other. |
I'm not blessed. I work. A lot. Even in school, I work 20hrs a week. As my dad says "money doesn't grow on trees".
even at 150, thats 100 or more cheaper than the cheapest wideband 02 sensor, and thats before you go out and buy the oxygen sensor and have the bung welded on. 150 is dirt cheap for a tool. Adriel -- you wonder why the price goes over 100... thats because thats what it's worth. Ebay bids start low but they NEVER stay there, unless the bidding ends at some obscure hour and nobody seems to want it, likely because its broken or missing pieces.
As for bidding against each other, I'm not going to bid on either one of these. I have to pay for other things in the short term and so I'll have to watch and wait for another one to come up -- facts of life. I just didn't know they were this cheap! Now that I know what to look for, I definitely am going to pick one up as soon as the funds allow.
My advice: do some oddjobs on craigslist like helping someone move or weeding their garden or something. Do it 2 or 3 times and you'll have plenty of cash for a tool. collecting bottles n cans works too! I used to pay my entire electric bill going around my apartment complex and picking up all the beer cans my neighbors would leave laying out in front of their apartments. |
Joe, you just come off that way in part because of your hard working folks and the number of cars you own. I too am blessed, but not as much.
I do not see how they are worth $100, but maybe it is because I have a different perspective. I mean, our family has been frugal for over a century, if not more. Good German heritage according to Georg. Maybe that is why you seem like you have more: you are willing to pay more.
Fine, good to know. I hate the fact we can no longer see who is bidding, as we could be in a war against someone on theSamba. Makes no since why they changed it.
I am just going to take it from my stipend and pay it back later. BettyAnn is being a bit persistent about me working this Summer, but I was not sure what to do. Thanks to you Joe, I have some idea. I did ask Jack for help, but his only comment was a snide remark of it was about time. Big issue is my hair which is now reached my lower back. Having hair longer than most girls makes people wonder, call me fag or hooker, or just plain scared. It is the latter that I quit wearing facial hair: just too much red.
I have been looking for recyclables, but it seems folks are a bit too tidy. Our group last semester was going to do it until we could not find much. What if I had my room mates give me there cans? Might make a few bucks considering the amount of Red Bull and Cola they drink. Even going to have a party on Friday... |
Learn a skill like welding or upholstery. You'll never starve or be without work.
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| Adriel Rowley wrote: |
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| Adriel Rowley wrote: |
Joe, since you are blessed with money, what is the highest you would pay? Maybe that is a way not to bid against each other. |
I'm not blessed. I work. A lot. Even in school, I work 20hrs a week. As my dad says "money doesn't grow on trees".
even at 150, thats 100 or more cheaper than the cheapest wideband 02 sensor, and thats before you go out and buy the oxygen sensor and have the bung welded on. 150 is dirt cheap for a tool. Adriel -- you wonder why the price goes over 100... thats because thats what it's worth. Ebay bids start low but they NEVER stay there, unless the bidding ends at some obscure hour and nobody seems to want it, likely because its broken or missing pieces.
As for bidding against each other, I'm not going to bid on either one of these. I have to pay for other things in the short term and so I'll have to watch and wait for another one to come up -- facts of life. I just didn't know they were this cheap! Now that I know what to look for, I definitely am going to pick one up as soon as the funds allow.
My advice: do some oddjobs on craigslist like helping someone move or weeding their garden or something. Do it 2 or 3 times and you'll have plenty of cash for a tool. collecting bottles n cans works too! I used to pay my entire electric bill going around my apartment complex and picking up all the beer cans my neighbors would leave laying out in front of their apartments. |
Joe, you just come off that way in part because of your hard working folks and the number of cars you own. I too am blessed, but not as much.
I do not see how they are worth $100, but maybe it is because I have a different perspective. I mean, our family has been frugal for over a century, if not more. Good German heritage according to Georg. Maybe that is why you seem like you have more: you are willing to pay more.
Fine, good to know. I hate the fact we can no longer see who is bidding, as we could be in a war against someone on theSamba. Makes no since why they changed it.
I am just going to take it from my stipend and pay it back later. BettyAnn is being a bit persistent about me working this Summer, but I was not sure what to do. Thanks to you Joe, I have some idea. I did ask Jack for help, but his only comment was a snide remark of it was about time. Big issue is my hair which is now reached my lower back. Having hair longer than most girls makes people wonder, call me fag or hooker, or just plain scared. It is the latter that I quit wearing facial hair: just too much red.
I have been looking for recyclables, but it seems folks are a bit too tidy. Our group last semester was going to do it until we could not find much. What if I had my room mates give me there cans? Might make a few bucks considering the amount of Red Bull and Cola they drink. Even going to have a party on Friday... |
Learn a skill like welding or upholstery. You'll never starve or be without work. |
Adriel, Oma and ur dad grew up in a time when hamburgers were .25 and 50 dollars was a shitload of money.
this isn't 1945 anymore! things cost more (artificially) than they used to! 100 is peanuts for -- think about this -- a device that measures particulates in a gas. a handheld device.
try and BUILD one, just in the parts, for less than 100. 
I'm not trying to be snarky, I just think a lot of people (especially those who don't really work ) don't have a clue what things are worth, or why, and have totally unrealistic expectations.
being frugal is one thing, not understanding the literal value of a dollar is another.
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| Tram wrote: |
| Adriel Rowley wrote: |
| JSMskater wrote: |
| Adriel Rowley wrote: |
Joe, since you are blessed with money, what is the highest you would pay? Maybe that is a way not to bid against each other. |
I'm not blessed. I work. A lot. Even in school, I work 20hrs a week. As my dad says "money doesn't grow on trees".
even at 150, thats 100 or more cheaper than the cheapest wideband 02 sensor, and thats before you go out and buy the oxygen sensor and have the bung welded on. 150 is dirt cheap for a tool. Adriel -- you wonder why the price goes over 100... thats because thats what it's worth. Ebay bids start low but they NEVER stay there, unless the bidding ends at some obscure hour and nobody seems to want it, likely because its broken or missing pieces.
As for bidding against each other, I'm not going to bid on either one of these. I have to pay for other things in the short term and so I'll have to watch and wait for another one to come up -- facts of life. I just didn't know they were this cheap! Now that I know what to look for, I definitely am going to pick one up as soon as the funds allow.
My advice: do some oddjobs on craigslist like helping someone move or weeding their garden or something. Do it 2 or 3 times and you'll have plenty of cash for a tool. collecting bottles n cans works too! I used to pay my entire electric bill going around my apartment complex and picking up all the beer cans my neighbors would leave laying out in front of their apartments. |
Joe, you just come off that way in part because of your hard working folks and the number of cars you own. I too am blessed, but not as much.
I do not see how they are worth $100, but maybe it is because I have a different perspective. I mean, our family has been frugal for over a century, if not more. Good German heritage according to Georg. Maybe that is why you seem like you have more: you are willing to pay more.
Fine, good to know. I hate the fact we can no longer see who is bidding, as we could be in a war against someone on theSamba. Makes no since why they changed it.
I am just going to take it from my stipend and pay it back later. BettyAnn is being a bit persistent about me working this Summer, but I was not sure what to do. Thanks to you Joe, I have some idea. I did ask Jack for help, but his only comment was a snide remark of it was about time. Big issue is my hair which is now reached my lower back. Having hair longer than most girls makes people wonder, call me fag or hooker, or just plain scared. It is the latter that I quit wearing facial hair: just too much red.
I have been looking for recyclables, but it seems folks are a bit too tidy. Our group last semester was going to do it until we could not find much. What if I had my room mates give me there cans? Might make a few bucks considering the amount of Red Bull and Cola they drink. Even going to have a party on Friday... |
Learn a skill like welding or upholstery. You'll never starve or be without work. |
Adriel, Oma and ur dad grew up in a time when hamburgers were .25 and 50 dollars was a shitload of money.
this isn't 1945 anymore! things cost more (artificially) than they used to! 100 is peanuts for -- think about this -- a device that measures particulates in a gas. a handheld device.
try and BUILD one, just in the parts, for less than 100.
I'm not trying to be snarky, I just think a lot of people (especially those who don't really work ) don't have a clue what things are worth, or why, and have totally unrealistic expectations.
being frugal is one thing, not understanding the literal value of a dollar is another. |
Pretty snarky there, Josef.
The other cost factors are:
Getting 150K out of an engine between overhauls rather than 20K
Time is money- Having the right tools to do it right in 15- 20 minutes rather than futzing with adjustments for weeks, finally settling for "it's better than it was" but never being 100% satisfied.
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