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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:55 pm    Post subject: Fog lights! with a factory look. Reply with quote

Ive spent some time searching the vasts expanse of the outernet for some form of indication that someone else might have had the same idea as me. im looking for a clean install of fog lights. i have a '91 vanagon, so i think that found fog lights bolted to the top of the bumper would be an ugly addition to the nice squared headlights that match the rest of the lines on the van, other than the wheels of course. my plan is to add a 6x2" or so fog light in behind the front air dam, right were there is already holes cut out.
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right there....
now, all i have found is this
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anyone think of any other fog pattern lamps that will fit?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go for it, and buy them by the case, you'll need them, it seems a bit exposed to obstacles down there Smile

the factory look is this (the bracket that says "nur caravelle carat" is the one for the fibreglass bumpers you have):

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know PIAA makes some slim line fog lights.
and I would stay away from the new fangled gimmikie LED fog/driving lights

how about these slim design, price is right too (I may pick up a set for reverse lights)

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I know PIAA makes some slim line fog lights.
and I would stay away from the new fangled gimmikie LED fog/driving lights




What's gimmikie (sp?) about LEDs?
They have become standard for driving and tail lights on many newer cars. They have completely eclipsed halogen and HIDs for bike lights. They are cheaper, brighter, and last longer. More effecient and cooler too. I'm thinking in less than 5yrs, headlights will be LED also.
In 5-10yrs, they will have completely replaced CFLs for both home and industrial lighting. The tech exists and it's not even that expensive.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The rectangle fogs will look really nice down there, go for it! If I had an air dam on my
Westy I too would be doing the same thing as you propose. I've got the big asz Hella
rounds up front and I can count on one finger the times that I have used them.
Not that I don't want to, just haven't had the opportunity.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i had a set down there back in the day they were rectangular hellas, they didnt last long, actually went thru two sets before i went to the ontop of bumper set up, still have one lamp around, but just make sure to keep the lens covers on them when not in use
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Take your LED lights out to a dark piece of road on a wet night..
they make good indicator lights.. they do not (IMHO) illuminate the surface of the road well. for this I still stock up on Old School Bosch/Hella Fogs or Driving lights.


I like LEDs for lighting my back porch.. well kinda. they're still a monochromatic and Directional, and offer little in 'depth' and 'contrast' to the surfaces they fall on. compared to a incandescant..

for light bulbs I really coudn't care less about cheaper, or longer lasting if they don't perform as I require illumination to.
I do have LEDs and CFLS in the basement & tractor shed always on,
I LOVE my LED battery powered motion lights.. this is a perfect applicaiton for current offerings of LED illumination. here long battery life, and instant on are key points to me approaching my steps, or entrance door.

buildyourown wrote:
danfromsyr wrote:
I know PIAA makes some slim line fog lights.
and I would stay away from the new fangled gimmikie LED fog/driving lights




What's gimmikie (sp?) about LEDs?
They have become standard for driving and tail lights on many newer cars. They have completely eclipsed halogen and HIDs for bike lights. They are cheaper, brighter, and last longer. More effecient and cooler too. I'm thinking in less than 5yrs, headlights will be LED also.
In 5-10yrs, they will have completely replaced CFLs for both home and industrial lighting. The tech exists and it's not even that expensive.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You need: SA lower grill. (sorry about the dead van)

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dhaavers,
Those are Projezt fog lights, NLA, and very expensive.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My bad.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fog/auxiliary lights in the US automotive world are often an odd topic. We're the only country in the world where the number of aux light buyers who are looking for "a cool look" far outnumber the people looking for a light that puts out a quality beam. As a result, the US market is full of poor functioning lights for teenage boys to bolt onto their sagging rusty Camaro for that "euro look". (cough.)

So buyer beware and generally the smaller lights are the junkiest. Stick to established name brands like Bosch, Hella, PIAA (somewhat) though all brands have a junk line these days because in the US that's where the volume is (see above paragraph).

In the rest of the world, vehicle lighting is taken much more seriously.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Timwhy wrote:
I can count on one finger the times that I have used them.


I've had the exact same experience with my daily driver Nissan over the 13 years that I've been driving it.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can also tell you I typically think "what a cock" everytime I see someone with fog lights on for everyday use...
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bosch is now offering LED...

DRL's

http://www.myhellalights.com/index.php/default/daytime-running-lights/

Driving Lights

http://www.myhellalights.com/index.php/default/auxiliary-lamps/led/micro-70-led/
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The "driving lights" link (a term generally associated with lamps to illuminate at high beam distances or beyond) are actually more of a cheap work light. Even the linked site mentions they are for close illumination. So, in the world of lights I'd bolt onto my vehicle to enhance forward or distance vision at night, these Hella 70s are essentially cheap styling lights. Kind of a stylish light you'd put on your ATV.

As I mentioned, even the traditional names offer low priced stuff and this is a perfect example.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BlackDogVan wrote:
I can also tell you I typically think "what a cock" everytime I see someone with fog lights on for everyday use...


I usually think "hey dumbass - is it foggy where you are?" when I see that, but I can see the advantages of your thoughts too... Mayhaps time for a change in my habits...
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the Hella LED Driving lights are interesting. though I'd hate to se the pricetag on those.
the DRLs are for 'other drivers' to see you, not you to see road obstacles.

in my 80-85 round light vans I've rarely needed any additional lighting.
in Mom's 86 square light van, I had to ad Bosch white driving lights down under by the clamshell (set back under several inches)
these run with the parking lights, but switch off with the highbeams as the Squares highbeam is pretty decent. but highbeam driving is soo infrequent.
If I didn't put the added fogs underneath (where they don't bother oncoming traffic at all) I would have had to switch her camper to rounds.



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DRL's

http://www.myhellalights.com/index.php/default/daytime-running-lights/

Driving Lights

http://www.myhellalights.com/index.php/default/auxiliary-lamps/led/micro-70-led/

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you don't go "offroad" then the under bumper mount might be ok. But even easing down minor trenches on logging roads will result in the dam being scraped.

I'm not meaning to be negative, just a caution.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

its only 2wd, and it already has 1.5" lift springs, i wont be doing much for "offroading" and certainly wont be on any logging roads.

im not looking for any led lights, or any round lights. i need approx 6X2" rectangles. has to have replaceable bulbs, as i will put in 100w and maybe at some point hid? still undecided. light pattern is important too. i need a real fog lamp. not just a bulb in a shiny box.

i like what IdahoDoug had to say. i feel it is important to have a proper pattern. a fog light is necessary only in the low beam application. have you ever actual tried to use your high beams in the fog? it just lights up a wall directly in front of you. a high beam is not the proper pattern for poor visibility! nither is a lamp with no thought put into its light output!(i think i should have made that point very clear now) that is why i want to use the air dam slots for my fog lights. there low, protected (to some extent), and clean. and find the proper ones.

i already have VW plastic headlight shields, and will be putting a thick layer of plastic on my new lamps, if they break after that, well...... cant say i didn't try.

oh and as for "being a cock", i live in red deer Alberta. there is more of a white bread, red neck % of our population than any other place in most of north America, and all of these rig pigs have nothing they love to spend there money on more that there 12"+ lift kit, 26" mud slinging tires, with no less than 8, 10" hid "blistering blue" lamps anywhere and everywhere on these trucks with there "low beams" pointed right in your eye. there is some kind of subconscious competition going on here. and i am not a part of it. i just want adequate light as i drive off highway quite often to get to my family. and there is NO sunlight left at 5 o clock in the winter.

sorry if this has turned into somewhat of a rant. its just that i started off on an informational voyage, and manage to pick up only $0.08 in unrequested "2 cents" lets keep it that way please.
previous happenings and future cautions are more than welcomed!
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here in Canada (at least B.C.) they require daytime running lights. All the cars that I've brought into B.C. have had to be inspected, and I had to add the running lights.
A couple ways to do this. One was to add white fog lights. The other which I did to my old Mulitvan was to switch to S.A. grill with the round bulbs and a extra running light embedded within the bulbs.

On my Syncro I use the rectangular Hella lights and I covered the lenses with that thick clear plastic 3M sells for lens protection.
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edit (I meant to add that I tried the fogs in the same location you want to try and the lights lasted about a month. Go with the upper location, they'll last longer!)
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