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vw4ever
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 Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:44 pm Post subject: Side Marker Location. |
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hey brothers,
can somebody do me a favor and post up a picture of a T3 fender with the side marker location in detail. Without the marker would be preferred. But I will settle for a straight on shot from the side. If somebody could maybe, just maybe post a pic of the fender with a ruler or a dollar bill or something I could measure off of, it would be sweet.
My neighbor stumbled upon a box in his hed that had all sorts of little "can you use any of this sh!t?" stuff. Inside were some side markers, a T3 shift knob, and some other hard to find items I will be implementing in my Wasserwagen build.
BTW...kind of leaning towards aircooled instead of Wasser.
Thanks again Adreil for the seeeewwwwweeeeeeeet ass front clip. Price was right and I had to drive thirteen houses down the street to get it. Small world isn't it?
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What year, early or late?
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chapolito
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if i could put a request in for a late It would be much appreciated, as I plan on doing this too in the near future.
nice score btw!
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vw4ever
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1969 please!
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KTPhil 
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turbomicrowaves
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| Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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61-63 models had them above the trim line
64-69 had them just below the trim line
70-73 had them in the same place as 64-69 model
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vw4ever
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| Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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thanks turbo. Something closer anyone else.
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DHanna
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Does this help any? From a 1964 1500S but should be similar position for later models with thinner trim. Sorry about the sketch scribble. 
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vw4ever
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| Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 9:58 am Post subject: |
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Perfect thanks D. Thats exactly what I needed.
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KTPhil
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| Very nice, thanks! |
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vw4ever
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| Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 2:13 pm Post subject: How To install side marker lights of Type 3 |
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So I went out to the garage about an hour ago and here's what I came up with:
Tools you will need:
Start out by laying out the measurements:
Next, center punch your holes:
Here is the fun part. Get out your drill and a UniBit. Steady pressure but not to aggressive, let the tool do the work:
When you are finished drilling the holes it should look something like this:
Now get out your Wiss snips or a grinder to remove the metal between the holes like this:
Next step, grab a file and clean up the hole:
Last step is test fitting the Marker light base, sorry for the focus:
Here is a shot of the backside:
Thanks for following along. Hope this helps anybody with installing Marker Lights.
I cant wait to get some seals and lenses to tidy up my install.
Have fun guys.
Ryan
PS. Thanks DHanna for the measurements.
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DHanna
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"Interesting. What use are you going to have for the side marker?"
Replace the red/clear lense with amber lense. Disconnect wires from parking light power and connect to right and left indicator power. Much more use than parkers. |
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KTPhil
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| Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 2:43 pm Post subject: Re: How To install side marker lights of Type 3 |
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| Interesting. What use are you going to have for the side marker? |
Me, I'm going to wire them up as side-mounted turn signals. They will also come on with the 4-ways.
The next challenge is figuring out how to run the wire in a stock location and make it easily removable should the fender have to come off. I have the stock gasketing but I'm not very confident it will stay dry with all the road splash in those areas. |
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vw4ever
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Not exactly sure if I want to run them as Parking or Turn indicators.
I might just hook up lazer beams instead and shoot down unsuspecting Rice Burners as they pass me on the freeway.
Hope you guys liked the step by step. The Drivers side took seriously 8 minutes to complete.
I just center punched the three holes and drilled, cut and filed...done deal!!!
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DHanna
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| Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 3:09 pm Post subject: Re: How To install side marker lights of Type 3 |
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| Adriel Rowley wrote: |
| Interesting. What use are you going to have for the side marker? |
Me, I'm going to wire them up as side-mounted turn signals. They will also come on with the 4-ways.
The next challenge is figuring out how to run the wire in a stock location and make it easily removable should the fender have to come off. I have the stock gasketing but I'm not very confident it will stay dry with all the road splash in those areas. |
Have a look on the quarter panel under the dash each side. There should?? be a small rubber blanking grommet in the hole where the wire goes through. I think the holes were on all vehicles regardless of whether the parkers were fitted or not. You shouldn't have to drill new ones and the wire doesn't go through the fender so isn't a problem if you need to remove fender. |
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KTPhil
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| Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 4:08 pm Post subject: Re: How To install side marker lights of Type 3 |
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| DHanna wrote: |
| Have a look on the quarter panel under the dash each side. There should?? be a small rubber blanking grommet in the hole where the wire goes through. I think the holes were on all vehicles regardless of whether the parkers were fitted or not. You shouldn't have to drill new ones and the wire doesn't go through the fender so isn't a problem if you need to remove fender. |
Thanks, but I'm still not clear on the routing. From inside the car, it goes throuigh the hole you mentioned... and from there...? At some pint it has to penetrate the panel to reach the lamp. Where is that? Do you have a photo of the wire from the actual lamp to that pint?
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| Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 5:09 pm Post subject: Re: How To install side marker lights of Type 3 |
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| DHanna wrote: |
| Have a look on the quarter panel under the dash each side. There should?? be a small rubber blanking grommet in the hole where the wire goes through. I think the holes were on all vehicles regardless of whether the parkers were fitted or not. You shouldn't have to drill new ones and the wire doesn't go through the fender so isn't a problem if you need to remove fender. |
Thanks, but I'm still not clear on the routing. From inside the car, it goes throuigh the hole you mentioned... and from there...? At some pint it has to penetrate the panel to reach the lamp. Where is that? Do you have a photo of the wire from the actual lamp to that pint?
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Once you pass the wire thru the rubber plug, you need about 10 inches of wire to reach the bulb holder. There's only the 1 layer there Phil. On mine, I did it like you're wanting to do (use them as side mounted turn signals, that work with the 4 ways), and I added them into the turn signal connection on the leftside of the steering column (where all the wires are). I think I used 2 "T" connectors to join those wires with the turn signal connection wires. It's really a plug and play set up. I'll probably do the T-34 that way as well. On my 65, the side markers come on with the 4 ways, which light up quite a bit, but then I'm using the red and white style on mine.
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KTPhil
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| Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 5:27 pm Post subject: Re: How To install side marker lights of Type 3 |
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| Bobnotch wrote: |
| Once you pass the wire thru the rubber plug, you need about 10 inches of wire to reach the bulb holder. There's only the 1 layer there Phil. |
Awesome, crystal clear now, thanks!
Probably doing this later this summer, but I'll hang on to this thread. I have all the parts, even an OEM-style crimper and plastic tee connectors. When I repaint the fenders I'll do this stuff first.
In stopped traffic, those side-mounted turn signals are a help; the fronts and rears aren't visible to the car next to you that you want to let you in.
Ignored during regular speed driving, like all turn signals, though.  |
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chapolito
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| Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 12:55 am Post subject: Re: How To install side marker lights of Type 3 |
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thanks for the step by step with pictures, I'll definitely be coming back to this when I'm ready.
this may be a stupid question, but what are 4 ways? is that another way to call hazard lights?
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vw4ever
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yes chapolito
4 ways = hazards
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