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SGKent 
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Regarding rogue spark plugs, I found this recently:
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That is what the one we bought look like too except the oil cooler leaked as a result and the engine destroyed the crank and a rod. The case was junk. I saved a few parts and the flywheel. Not a really big fan of leaving lost parts in an engine. They can live there forever or destroy a vacation. A small pocket mirror and light will usually find big items like a socket as they can't get far.
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BusNerdz
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Regarding rogue spark plugs, I found this recently:
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Dr. Fantasmo
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I just lost a spark plug into the number 2 tin yesterday...tried for close to 45 minutes to fish it out before deciding it must like it's new home and getting on with my life.
I'll retrieve it when the motor comes out in the winter.
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TomWesty
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| coathanger with hook on end. |
gotta find where it went first. A small mirror or a digital inspection camera. Awesome tool. |
Unless gravity has changed how it works recently, you know where it went. Coathangers are cheap and fishing is fun and relaxing! I just can't afford one of those cool cameras yet so I tend to make use of what's available. I have an inspection mirror, but by the time i get a light lined up with it and it lined up with the lost part and my bifocals lined up with it..... well I can usually feel it and fish it out without looking by then.
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chris roop
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I used a combination of the flexible pickup tool and the flexible magnet on a stick both mentioned above. With the magnet on a stick, sometimes you have to just cast in there then pull out hoping that you have hooked the big one. Sometimes you have to use one tool to locate and position before using the second tool to do the final extraction.
One of my extensions has a locking function; it won't come off until you push the button. The plan is to see if there are tools that will lock onto the spark plug socket with the extension so that this doesn't occur in the future. Of course, I had lost both the socket and the plug down the rabbit hole.
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SGKent
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| coathanger with hook on end. |
gotta find where it went first. A small mirror or a digital inspection camera. Awesome tool.
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TomWesty
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coathanger with hook on end.
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RatCamper
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Coffee still kicking in. I read the thread title and thought it said sand  OP is lucky it was just me misreading. The motor I put in, I found sand in the carburettor. A decent amount  gee i wonder why the engine can be a bit grumpy.
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busdaddy
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| I have seen engines with multiple spark plugs dropped down beneath the tin on each side. |
I've got a box full of spark plug sockets harvested from type 4's, usually in the vicinity of #2 cylinder. Never have saved the extra plugs (except the brand new ones  ), likely a bucket O' those too.
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Wildthings
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Get the strongest magnetic pickup tool you can find and then slide the handle into a piece of PVC pipe so that the whole thing is ridged. This will give you more control over the magnet and you should be able to wiggle the socket a bit more than before and force it to make its way out.
What ever you do don't go cutting the tin to get at the socket. I have seen this done before and it wrecks the cooling system. As others said it is really not that necessary to remove the socket. It will not hurt all that much, but if you haven't been in there to see how much crap is clogging the fins and especially the oil cooler how might be a good time to remove the tin and take a peek.j
I have seen engines with multiple spark plugs dropped down beneath the tin on each side. It really doesn't seem to hurt much, just slowly wears at the fins, but not enough to affect cooling. |
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maximan1
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| That picture freaks me out. Now I am going to have nightmares of all the things I have probably dropped in my engine. |
I'm pretty sure you have not dropped anything down the engine. We cleaned it all out, remember?
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SGKent
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| the socket won't do anything. the fins dissipate heat, more surface area for heat to escape. yes fresh air traveling past will help cool, but a socket siting on them won't cause you any problems. |
I agree if it's on the cylinders, but if it's sitting on the oil cooler it'll wear through and eventually cause a leak.
Interesting theory on the clogged fins WT, sounds plausible but I still prefer a clean cooling system. |
one of the 2L engines we had as a core suffered this fate and a spun rod bearing as a result.
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busdaddy
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| the socket won't do anything. the fins dissipate heat, more surface area for heat to escape. yes fresh air traveling past will help cool, but a socket siting on them won't cause you any problems. |
I agree if it's on the cylinders, but if it's sitting on the oil cooler it'll wear through and eventually cause a leak.
Interesting theory on the clogged fins WT, sounds plausible but I still prefer a clean cooling system.
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MOX
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| the socket won't do anything. the fins dissipate heat, more surface area for heat to escape. yes fresh air traveling past will help cool, but a socket siting on them won't cause you any problems. |
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Wildthings
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Based on two out of two buses I have owned, you want to drop the motor and/or take off the tin to clean out all the crap that has accumulated over the years. The socket by itself is no big deal, but maybe it provides the motivation to get in there and clean things up so your engine will cool properly.
Check out the spark plug that was blocking airflow in my current bus for God knows how long. |
I have wondered how necessary it actually is to have air flow over the cylinders. I have certainly seen some engines that had close to zero. Maybe the heads run cooler once the airflow over the cylinders approaches zero.  |
uhh.... its pretty necessary.......
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You are missing the point. Many of these engines seem to run a long time even with the bottom two inches of fins gets completely clogged and the rest somewhat clogged, if it where really doing that much damage you would think that having the fins blocked would kill the engine on its first long climb.
I am not recommending this, just saying its very common. |
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MOX
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| i dropped the socket while changes plugs a few months ago, not big deal, it is not "in your engine" it is in between the engine tin and the engine....i got mine out after 15 minutes, hust keep poking,pulling wiggling |
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3nero
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| I don't have a pic to post of a tool that I have handy when ever I change my plugs. It works like a choke cable, is about 30" long and has a button on one end you push and four prongs that come out the other end. Push the button the prongs come out, release the button, the prongs close, hopefully around the lost object. It has retrieved more than spark plugs, believe me, I wouldn't be without it. |
A pickle picker is what you are describing there....
like that only with a bendy shaft.
I used one when my socket ended up in that black hole. I managed to put the prongs through the hole in the middle of the socket and then extend them out inside the hole. |
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BryanM
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Based on two out of two buses I have owned, you want to drop the motor and/or take off the tin to clean out all the crap that has accumulated over the years. The socket by itself is no big deal, but maybe it provides the motivation to get in there and clean things up so your engine will cool properly.
Check out the spark plug that was blocking airflow in my current bus for God knows how long. |
I have wondered how necessary it actually is to have air flow over the cylinders. I have certainly seen some engines that had close to zero. Maybe the heads run cooler once the airflow over the cylinders approaches zero. |
uhh.... its pretty necessary.......
If the bus has sat for a while it is also a good idea to check the oil cooler for blockage, consider removing all the tin and giving the long block a good scrub down.
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nodrenim
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| I don't have a pic to post of a tool that I have handy when ever I change my plugs. It works like a choke cable, is about 30" long and has a button on one end you push and four prongs that come out the other end. Push the button the prongs come out, release the button, the prongs close, hopefully around the lost object. It has retrieved more than spark plugs, believe me, I wouldn't be without it. |
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