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quadrazer Samba Member
Joined: April 11, 2010 Posts: 295 Location: Castalia, Ohio
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Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 10:02 am Post subject: IRS axle length with 2x3's & Type 1 |
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Just wondered, is anyone else is running a Type 1 transaxle with 2x3 rear trailing arms? If so, what length axles are you running with them? I'm running 19 1/4" long axles with this setup, as were suggested by Appletree Automotive in Michigan (the place I bought my rear 2x3 trailing arms). The measurements I took after installing the 2x3 arms seems to suggest a stock bus axle (18 3/4" length) would fit, especially with the factory spring plate stops in place. My spring plates are not notched. It doesn't appear that the stock length bus axles would be extended at full droop to the point where it would pull against the CV's. It sure would be nice to use readily available stock length bus axles, instead of the custom length ones, if for no other reason than the availability and cost of spares.
I have already converted the stub axles and flanges over to accept Type 2 CV's, just for angularity during travel. I did this when I installed the 2x3's.
So....any thoughts/ideas on this are appreciated.
Here's a picture of the current setup:
_________________ I DID wash my hands....the rest is 'built-in' dirt!
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traviswx1 Samba Member
Joined: August 24, 2005 Posts: 79 Location: Lodi, CA
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Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 10:19 am Post subject: |
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The stock bus axles should work for 2x3 arms with a 002 bus tranny I think. I am running 2x3 arms and 091 bus with 17 1/4 axles. My axles are a little short at full droop but am gonna use the cv grease plate from appletree to space them out. You might be able to use the plates with stock axles. The plates measure up just over 3/8 thick. _________________ 69 Baja, 091, 2x3, cage, 1600dp, bj front, and a sh!t load of labor! |
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BigElipso Samba Member
Joined: May 19, 2003 Posts: 289 Location: West Michigan
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Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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I'm running stock bus axles with a type 1 trans and 2X3s. They seem to work fine. I am switching to a 002 and hope they work for that setup as well. |
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ts39136 Samba Member
Joined: January 30, 2010 Posts: 735 Location: Pocatello, Idaho
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Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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quad, If you still have side to side play when the axles are level, I would think to leave well enough alone. The stock bus axles don't allow the CV to slide on the splines, which most aftermarket axles do.
Are you still breaking CV's? Do you plan on braeking an axle? _________________ My Build Page |
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quadrazer Samba Member
Joined: April 11, 2010 Posts: 295 Location: Castalia, Ohio
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Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 8:41 am Post subject: |
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ts39136 wrote: |
quad, If you still have side to side play when the axles are level, I would think to leave well enough alone. The stock bus axles don't allow the CV to slide on the splines, which most aftermarket axles do.
Are you still breaking CV's? Do you plan on braeking an axle? |
Tim,
Although there is side play, it is VERY minimal. I haven't broken any CV's since I changed up to the race-prepped Type 2's.
And no, I don't plan on breaking an axle, but if I do, it'd be nice to know I could run the stock bus axles if I was in a pinch, rather than blow another $175 on custom length axles. _________________ I DID wash my hands....the rest is 'built-in' dirt!
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quadrazer Samba Member
Joined: April 11, 2010 Posts: 295 Location: Castalia, Ohio
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Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 8:43 am Post subject: |
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traviswx1 wrote: |
My axles are a little short at full droop but am gonna use the cv grease plate from appletree to space them out. You might be able to use the plates with stock axles. The plates measure up just over 3/8 thick. |
Now that is a solid possibility! I've heard of these, but never seen them. That could work if I needed a little extra space to run the bus axles. Thanks for the tip! _________________ I DID wash my hands....the rest is 'built-in' dirt!
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Wheel_Works Samba Member
Joined: August 05, 2009 Posts: 347 Location: Michigan
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Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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I have Buddies who are running 3X3's with stock bus axles. They just leave one clip off one of the CV's on each side and they are having NO TROUBLES at all. |
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traviswx1 Samba Member
Joined: August 24, 2005 Posts: 79 Location: Lodi, CA
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Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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Wheel_Works wrote: |
I have Buddies who are running 3X3's with stock bus axles. They just leave one clip off one of the CV's on each side and they are having NO TROUBLES at all. |
Thats a real good idea _________________ 69 Baja, 091, 2x3, cage, 1600dp, bj front, and a sh!t load of labor! |
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ts39136 Samba Member
Joined: January 30, 2010 Posts: 735 Location: Pocatello, Idaho
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Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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traviswx1 wrote: |
Wheel_Works wrote: |
I have Buddies who are running 3X3's with stock bus axles. They just leave one clip off one of the CV's on each side and they are having NO TROUBLES at all. |
Thats a real good idea |
I wonder which clip... If you leave the outside one off, you risk blowing your trans seal.. If you leave the inside one off, the axle would keep sliding down into the stub.
Another thought, is that you can trim your current axles, but that really doesn't help your 'cheap' philosophy. _________________ My Build Page |
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traviswx1 Samba Member
Joined: August 24, 2005 Posts: 79 Location: Lodi, CA
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Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 12:27 am Post subject: |
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Im pretty sure you would want to leave the outsie one on to keep the axle from hitting the seal but the axle would hit the stub but they usually do anyway on aftermarket axles becuase of the longer splines. _________________ 69 Baja, 091, 2x3, cage, 1600dp, bj front, and a sh!t load of labor! |
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