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PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 8:55 pm    Post subject: Mercedes steel wheels Reply with quote

ive spent a good chunk of the day sifting through the wheel threads. i cant find the info im looking for. im trying to determine which 15' steel mercedes wheels (and vehicle they were sold with) will work without modifications other then fastening hardware. i know they are not as durable but as wheels for the free set of haka's i got , they should work fine for my 2wd gl. so far ive only confirmed this one from the ultimate wheel post.

15x6.5 ET37 Mercedes steel
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

S Class with steel wheels in the US Market? Are you guys referring to a spare steel wheel? And while that's being cleared up, I think the generation change for S class in the US was for the 92/93 model year, so were these on the 92/93+ model or 91 and older model?

Thanks - was at the MB dealer on Friday sifting through piles of wheels they have laying in a warehouse and did not know there's a steel one. That's what I'd prefer.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Are you guys referring to a spare steel wheel?

Yes. Consider the Mefro steel rims or SA steel rims(if you can find a set) as they are heavier guage and of course stronger.

Sorry r.e.wing_fc3s I don't have any good hints for you.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

U have a part number Benny boi?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't need another set of rims but the info might help the OP.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

so the 14mm lug hole diameter steel 15x? et 23 wheels bolt on to a 2wd van with just different fasteners?

and these can be found on either the w126 or w140 from what years?

it would be great to have the part number.

if i cant find these s-class wheels has anyone modified the c-class wheels to be satisfactory?

Thanks for your responses!
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why hung up on MB wheels?
I think there are some Passat or Tiguan wheels that will fit. You may need a small spacer.
As another poster mentioned, IMO, finding wheels w/ 14mm holes is more important than the perfect offset. I'd much rather buy and run small spacers than drill out 5 wheels.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One thing to remember about the ET23 wheels is that the low offset will increase the risk of tire to body contact, especially on a 2wd.

Also, none of the Mercedes steel wheels require the lug holes to be drilled out, even the wheels that were designed for 12mm lugs (only the alloy wheels need drilling). The holes are large enough to accommodate 14mm wheel hardware, but their seats were designed for the smaller ball profile so the stock Vanagon steel wheel lugs are not exactly appropriate. (this only applies to Mercedes wheels that originally used 12mm wheel hardware. If the wheels originally used 14mm wheel hardware, the stock Vanagon steel wheel lugs have the correct ball profile to suit those wheels)
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BenT Syncro wrote:
loogy wrote:
One thing to remember about the ET23 wheels is that the low offset will increase the risk of tire to body contact, especially on a 2wd.

Also, none of the Mercedes steel wheels require the lug holes to be drilled out, even the wheels that were designed for 12mm lugs (only the alloy wheels need drilling). The holes are large enough to accommodate 14mm wheel hardware, but their seats were designed for the smaller ball profile so the stock Vanagon steel wheel lugs are not exactly appropriate. (this only applies to Mercedes wheels that originally used 12mm wheel hardware. If the wheels originally used 14mm wheel hardware, the stock Vanagon steel wheel lugs have the correct ball profile to suit those wheels)


I ran with the previously mentioned steel Mercedes wheels for some 11 years on my 1982 2WD diesel van without anything ressembling contact whatsoever. IIRC I had 215/60/15 tire on them but I might be remembering the tire size incorrectly. Prior to that, I had them in my 85 Syncro Doublecab where they originally resided since the truck was about 2 years old.

It might be that most MB steel wheels have the ability to accommodate a 14mm bolt or stud especially if they are aftermarket wheels intended to have multiple applications. I would hesitate to make such a global statement. I've owned MB steel wheels, albeit 14's, which could not fit onto 14mm studs.

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I didn't mean that a person will have tire contact with the 23mm offset, I said that there is an increased risk, which is true. And even more true on a Carat or a with a larger tire size.

As for the lug hole size, your right, I probably shouldn't have used the word "none", but every single 15" and 16" Mercedes steel wheel that I have had my hands on fit over the 14mm wheel hardware just fine. I will say that I have never had a set of 14" Mercedes steel wheels in my hands. So your right, there are obviously some that don't fit.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

id really like this thread to be an easy to use resource for people considering these wheels. the idea of finding bolt on steel wheels for less then $500+ appeals to me.

it would be most helpful to have the chassis type and if applicable the date range as well the wheel dimensions diameter width offset.

so far i have the w 202 c-class cars. 15x6.5 ET37

and the 15x? ET23 from the w126 s-class cars.

my local tire dealer gave me a book that lists pretty much every oem wheel ever so ill do some more research tonight
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

loogy wrote:
I didn't mean that a person will have tire contact with the 23mm offset, I said that there is an increased risk, which is true. And even more true on a Carat or a with a larger tire size.


I got tire to fender lip contact with the (syncro.org) springs, SA big brakes, 16x7.5 et 23 wheels and BFG 215/70/16 tires that GW sold me within an hour of leaving thier shop. Man, was I pissed. Their handling of the situation REALLY pissed me off...sorry, OT. Point is, based on my experience, at least with respect to 2WD vanagons, there's very little accomodation for additional WIDTH...height is NOT the controlling issue.

The additional width of the SA brake kit (2mm) plus the additional width of the 7.5 inch wide wheel was the problem...I added spacers over the syncro.org springs...equivalent to the height of my van now and tire/body contact was still an issue. It took going to narrower wheels to eliminate the problem. The 225/75/16 tires riding on 16x7 et 30 (equivalent w/spacers) wheels now ride up into the fender wells without contacting the fender lip.

I've forgiven GW...forgiveness is the essence of compassion...we should all nurture compassion.

Take home lesson: (with a 2WD) keep wheels narrow and close to the upper control arm...IOW, listen to loogy Smile...thanks for sharing your wisdom Chris.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i found a wheel today that was made in the u.s. for a B platform vw/audi i think, because the center bore was not able to fit over the bearing cap. the dimensions were 5x112 / 15x6 ET41. they were heavy. there was no lip around the center so i would feel comfortable machining these if necessary.

anyone know by dimensions if the offset is too high and if not what they might be from?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

r.e.wing_fc3s wrote:
id really like this thread to be an easy to use resource for people considering these wheels. the idea of finding bolt on steel wheels for less then $500+ appeals to me.

it would be most helpful to have the chassis type and if applicable the date range as well the wheel dimensions diameter width offset.

so far i have the w 202 c-class cars. 15x6.5 ET37

and the 15x? ET23 from the w126 s-class cars.

my local tire dealer gave me a book that lists pretty much every oem wheel ever so ill do some more research tonight


I'm running the 16 x 7 steel wheels from a ~2000 Mercedes Benz C240 with 225/55-16 tires and they are excellent! I'm using a 1/4" spacer up front and 1/8" rear, just for looks...I also have Volks Cafe's Big Brakes up front.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

r.e.wing_fc3s wrote:
i found a wheel today that was made in the u.s. for a B platform vw/audi i think, because the center bore was not able to fit over the bearing cap. the dimensions were 5x112 / 15x6 ET41. they were heavy. there was no lip around the center so i would feel comfortable machining these if necessary.

anyone know by dimensions if the offset is too high and if not what they might be from?


Yeah, I agree with Ben here.

To add to this, you need to be concerned with the tire width as well as the wheel width and offset. You have two different areas of clearance concern. This would be between the rim lip and the vertical portion of the upright and between the tire's sidewall and the tip of the upper control arm. I have had many customers test fit a raw wheel (no tire) and say, "It fits great. I won't need any spacers.". But once the tires were factored in, spacers ended up being necessary.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jake de Villiers wrote:

I'm running the 16 x 7 steel wheels from a ~2000 Mercedes Benz C240 with 225/55-16 tires and they are excellent! I'm using a 1/4" spacer up front and 1/8" rear, just for looks...I also have Volks Cafe's Big Brakes up front.


I mine as well include 16" wheels in the thread to be comprehensive...
do you happen to know the et? or part number of the 16x7 wheels?
and the spacers are just for looks, no clearance issues without?
And if the 15' part numbers are available sometime that would be great.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

loogy wrote:
To add to this, you need to be concerned with the tire width as well as the wheel width and offset. You have two different areas of clearance concern. This would be between the rim lip and the vertical portion of the upright and between the tire's sidewall and the tip of the upper control arm. I have had many customers test fit a raw wheel (no tire) and say, "It fits great. I won't need any spacers.". But once the tires were factored in, spacers ended up being necessary.


the snow tires i have available for free are 195/70 15. not to be dumb but is there some sort of metric in determining the clearance by using the tire and wheel dimensions?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

r.e.wing_fc3s wrote:


I mine as well include 16" wheels in the thread to be comprehensive...
do you happen to know the et? or part number of the 16x7 wheels?
and the spacers are just for looks, no clearance issues without?
And if the 15' part numbers are available sometime that would be great.


http://mbspecialist.com/mercedes_webcatalog/203292_2005-2007/40/40-050/2034001602/

These are the wheels I have on my 2wd - no spacers, just a front stud conversion, and the correct radius closed end nuts. The rears could use a spacer purely for looks, but they have to be engineer certified over here, no I don't use them.

16x7 ET31 steels, part 203 400 1602
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

r.e.wing_fc3s wrote:
Jake de Villiers wrote:

I'm running the 16 x 7 steel wheels from a ~2000 Mercedes Benz C240 with 225/55-16 tires and they are excellent! I'm using a 1/4" spacer up front and 1/8" rear, just for looks...I also have Volks Cafe's Big Brakes up front.


I mine as well include 16" wheels in the thread to be comprehensive...
do you happen to know the et? or part number of the 16x7 wheels?
and the spacers are just for looks, no clearance issues without?
And if the 15' part numbers are available sometime that would be great.


The front spacers are so the sidewalls clear the upper A-arms - the tires are pretty fat. The rears are for looks...

I'll try to remember to go and get the ET and part # for you tomorrow in the daylight.
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