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Tafkah Samba Member
Joined: November 16, 2005 Posts: 25
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Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:24 pm Post subject: Failed Emission Test - High HC |
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Hi guys,
My 89 Vanagon MT failed the Utah state emissions test because of high hydrocarbon at idle.
Here's my test results:
At 900 rpm: HC - 391 PPM, CO - 0.63%, CO2 - 12%, O2 - 4%
At 2500 rpm: HC - 123 PPM, CO - 0.70%, CO2 - 14%, O2 - 4%
The test was not done on a dynamometer.
Just before the test, I changed plugs, plug wires, distributor cap & rotor, checked timing, new O2 sensor, changed oil and filled up with 88 octane gas. There are no apparent vacuum leaks. I also made sure the engine and cat were very hot before the test.
The cat is one of the $100 units from bus depot, installed 4 years and 36,000 miles ago.
The van runs great and gets about 19 mpg.
After the test, I found two small exhaust leaks where the manifolds bolt to the engine. Would that be enough to cause high HC? What's are the next most likely causes? |
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Petervw Samba Member
Joined: July 04, 2005 Posts: 1020 Location: Sarnia Ont. Canada
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Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:35 pm Post subject: Re: Failed Emission Test - High HC |
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raygromer wrote: |
Hi guys,
My 89 Vanagon MT failed the Utah state emissions test because of high hydrocarbon at idle.
Here's my test results:
At 900 rpm: HC - 391 PPM, CO - 0.63%, CO2 - 12%, O2 - 4%
At 2500 rpm: HC - 123 PPM, CO - 0.70%, CO2 - 14%, O2 - 4%
The test was not done on a dynamometer.
Just before the test, I changed plugs, plug wires, distributor cap & rotor, checked timing, new O2 sensor, changed oil and filled up with 88 octane gas. There are no apparent vacuum leaks. I also made sure the engine and cat were very hot before the test.
The cat is one of the $100 units from bus depot, installed 4 years and 36,000 miles ago.
The van runs great and gets about 19 mpg.
After the test, I found two small exhaust leaks where the manifolds bolt to the engine. Would that be enough to cause high HC? What's are the next most likely causes? |
..I bought one of those cats from busdepot many yrs ago and has served me very well when dyno/emission tested..maybe somebody played around with that large screw on the throttle body trying to regulate the idle..that is a no-no... I had to rtv the small leaks I had before testing.. |
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Love My Westy Samba Member
Joined: August 08, 2007 Posts: 1838
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Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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I failed Utah Emissions with high HC last fall. It turned out to be a loose connection from the 02 sensor. |
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chimivee Samba Member
Joined: September 23, 2009 Posts: 741 Location: Orange, CA
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Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 10:46 am Post subject: |
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Ray - Did you ever get this resolved?
My van just failed CA emissions for the same reason: High HC at idle (fine at 2500 RPM). Have about 6k miles on basic tune-up items, O2 sensor and temp sensor. 2 years / 10k miles on cat. I realized after the fact that I was due for an oil change.
Ideas?
Thanks. _________________ -James
86 Syncro Westy, etc |
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bigsteve141 Samba Member
Joined: February 09, 2012 Posts: 11
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Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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Has anyone had any luck with this? I am running into the same problem. Cat, o2 sensor, all basic tuneup items rreplaced within 10k.
All of the emissions checks passed fine except HC at idle, which was 634ppm instead of 400ppm max.
I have been told it is possible lean misfire or a vacuum leak, but I don't fully understand those scenarios yet. |
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funagon Samba Member
Joined: March 09, 2006 Posts: 1308 Location: SLC, UT
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Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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bigsteve141 wrote: |
Has anyone had any luck with this? I am running into the same problem. Cat, o2 sensor, all basic tuneup items rreplaced within 10k.
All of the emissions checks passed fine except HC at idle, which was 634ppm instead of 400ppm max.
I have been told it is possible lean misfire or a vacuum leak, but I don't fully understand those scenarios yet. |
Could be a problem with the coaxial green wire that connects to the O2 sensor. If the outer strands contact the inner wire, this will result in rich running and high HC. _________________ 1990 GL 7-passenger
2.2 liter WBX |
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Themasterof42 Samba Member
Joined: April 23, 2009 Posts: 327 Location: goleta
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Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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I'm in the smog boat as well. Last weekend I took it to the station but my HC's were too high. It looks like the problem was the catalytic converter. The technician hit it with an IR temp gun. Supposedly it should read 100 degrees difference between the inlet and outlet temp. Mine was depleted and thus I had problems even though the screen inside the cat looked good visually. I think it was original to the van so no huge loss. We'll see on Thursday if it's fixed for sure with a new Cat. Might be worth hitting your catalytic converter with an IR temp gun as well if you have one available. Certain running problems can foul even a new catalytic converter pretty quickly I've heard. |
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silversync Samba Member
Joined: September 01, 2005 Posts: 185 Location: San Pasqual Valley, CA
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 11:42 am Post subject: |
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Do a compression test and leakdown test before guessing at too many parts to throw at the problem.
A burnt/weak/leaky exhaust valve can cause high HC at idle (which goes away at higher RPMs). _________________ Roland: '89 Syncro, '02 911 C4S, '10 Audi A4 Avant |
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Jteerlink Samba Member
Joined: February 18, 2007 Posts: 167
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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Do a compression test and leakdown test before guessing at too many parts to throw at the problem.
A burnt/weak/leaky exhaust valve can cause high HC at idle (which goes away at higher RPMs). |
Utah recently changed emission reg's. Testing is done at idle and at 2500rpm (much lower that what they used to test at). In my opinion, this speed is the "dirtiest" range for the 2.1. New plugs, wires etc. will not match the difference that a repaired exhaust valve can make. I too threw all new parts cap, wires, plugs, ultra premium oil etc...in the motor after installing new heads. After failing IM twice I decided to investigate the valves and discovered that one was not adjusted correctly throwing everything off.
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After valve adjustment and a new cat the HC and CO% numbers were dramatically different.
Also, it helps to get that cat hot, hot, HOT! Make sure its almost glowing and working hard before you take it in - make an appointment don't let it sit there in the parking lot to cool off.
Good luck |
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