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617dannyp Samba Member
Joined: May 24, 2010 Posts: 31 Location: boston
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 12:49 pm Post subject: 1969 beetle stalls when i hit the gas |
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Just brought out my 1969 vw bug for the summer. It starts up great and idles, but as soon as i hit the gas it starts to stall out. I checked out the plug wires they are all on tight. Any suggestions on how to troubleshoot this?? |
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 34022 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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Timing correct?
Advance mechanism working?
Accel pump squirting properly in carb? |
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617dannyp Samba Member
Joined: May 24, 2010 Posts: 31 Location: boston
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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what is the easiest way to check the timing?? The bug was running decent last year. |
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 34022 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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All you really need is a 12V test light (light bulb and wire).
Best to get a manual to tell you the details. A combo of the Muir "Idiot" book and the VW-authorized Bentley manual will take care of 99% of your needs.
In the meantime, use the "static" timing procedure here:
http://www.vw-resource.com/tune-up.html#static
I am not 100% sure but I think the '69 is timed statically at 7.5 degrees BTDC. |
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ballsie Samba Member
Joined: April 09, 2006 Posts: 134 Location: Austin, TX
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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I had that issue once. Idles great, but dies out when you hit the gas. I had a kink in the soft fuel line from the gas tank to the tunnel. You might also check your fuel filter. You might be getting just enough gas to idle, but not enough to rev, good luck. _________________ bagged 64 |
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617dannyp Samba Member
Joined: May 24, 2010 Posts: 31 Location: boston
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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fuel filter looks good I will check the fuel line though. I was actually thinking it might be some kind of air problem, the carburetor not getting air. I took the air filter of and ran it, same problem. |
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Hammarlund Samba Member
Joined: June 15, 2009 Posts: 1539 Location: Central Texas
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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Since the car was running good before parking it, the following come to mind:
Fuel pump diaphragm became brittle from disuse and tore. This one is especially likely if the oil level seems to have increased over the winter. Check the oil in the sump for a gasoline smell. If gas got in the oil, it must be changed before you do anything else.
Check and make sure the automatic choke is adjusted properly.
Water in fuel or fuel otherwise degraded. Drain the tank and put in fresh fuel (you may already have done this). I've heard some stories about ethanol fuel, cold, and moisture, but I don't have any personal experience, and certainly not experience with ethanol in your climate!
Spark plugs or points (if any) corroded over winter. Check the spark. If it is not bright and blue, it might not be good enough under acceleration.
Evaporation of fuel during disuse may have caused the carb jets to gum up (or the acceleration pump, as Phil points out).
Those are some of the obvious ones that can develop after several months of inactivity. Maybe some of the more experienced hands can think of others. _________________ Trying to diagnose electrical problems without paying attention to what the red light is telling you is like trying to play the piano without using your hands. |
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OLD VW NUT Samba Member
Joined: February 23, 2011 Posts: 2776 Location: High Desert of Washington 98823
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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Like KTPhil said - check that the accelerator pump is working - classic symptom is stalling when trying to accelerate. Pull the air cleaner off (engine off) look into the carb with a flashlight and pull the throttle arm down and see if you can see a squirt of gas jet down into the carb throat. _________________ 71 Ghia Coupe - stock body - no rust! Powered by a 2110 W/Dual HPMX 44's - Rancho Pro Street Transaxle - A/C by Gilmore
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617dannyp Samba Member
Joined: May 24, 2010 Posts: 31 Location: boston
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Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 6:48 am Post subject: |
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Ok i adjusted the timing, no change I'm beginning to think that it must be the fuel pump. Although could it be an air problem?? the manifold doesn't seem to be getting hot. It only gets hot in one place??? |
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Hammarlund Samba Member
Joined: June 15, 2009 Posts: 1539 Location: Central Texas
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Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 7:54 am Post subject: |
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Firstly, please give us more detail? Type of carb, distributor, single or dual port, etc. You have checked the timing; but no one can tell if you have done this correctly or not until we know how you did it and what kind of distributor you have.
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the manifold doesn't seem to be getting hot. It only gets hot in one place??? |
It certainly sounds like your risers are plugged. Do you see icing/condensation on the carb/manifold?
However, your other symptom (stalls when given gas) is not the classic plugged riser symptom. Cars with plugged risers characteristically start and run ok until they are asked to idle after runs at higher speeds, when the higher amount of air flow through the carb causes higher buildup of moisture.
Check the accelerator pump, as Phil suggests. If it is working, then you can check your fuel pressure or volume to assure the main pump is working correctly. You can also check for vacuum leaks.
Occasionally a weak spark will cause this problem; but the first thing to check is definitely the accelerator pump. That is the most common cause of the problem you are having, and Old VW Nut has told you how; it literally only takes a minute or so.
Finally, make sure you have set the timing correctly for your type of distributor. If you have a stock vacuum advance distributor, set it statically from the timing chart. If you have a 009 mechanical-only distributor, set it for 32 degrees full advance at 3500 rpm.
Since messing with the timing didn't help, it may have been set correctly to begin with. Incorrectly set timing can destroy a VW engine in a very few miles, so you may need to put it back where it was. _________________ Trying to diagnose electrical problems without paying attention to what the red light is telling you is like trying to play the piano without using your hands. |
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617dannyp Samba Member
Joined: May 24, 2010 Posts: 31 Location: boston
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Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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ok i changed the fuel pump with a brand new one- same problem I'm 99 percent sure the gas gummed up the carburetor over the winter. I'm going to try an additive in the gas tank, see if that will help. |
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DillonG Samba Member
Joined: October 18, 2017 Posts: 1 Location: Kzn
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Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 11:39 pm Post subject: Re: 1969 beetle stalls when i hit the gas |
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Hi guys I'm having some trouble with my beetle...idles great and starts on the turn but the issue I'm having is it stalls on all gears...will be much appreciated if I could get some help Thanks in advance |
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Cusser Samba Member
Joined: October 02, 2006 Posts: 31380 Location: Hot Arizona
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 7:14 am Post subject: Re: 1969 beetle stalls when i hit the gas |
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DillonG wrote: |
Hi guys I'm having some trouble with my beetle...idles great and starts on the turn but the issue I'm having is it stalls on all gears...will be much appreciated if I could get some help Thanks in advance |
Without significant more information, even Carnac the Magnificent would be unable to guess at the issue.
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bluebus86 Banned
Joined: September 02, 2010 Posts: 11075
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:01 am Post subject: Re: 1969 beetle stalls when i hit the gas |
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DillonG wrote: |
Hi guys I'm having some trouble with my beetle...idles great and starts on the turn but the issue I'm having is it stalls on all gears...will be much appreciated if I could get some help Thanks in advance |
Please give us some details, what year car, stock or modified motor? which type of carb and dizzie is in the car?
Generally this type of problem is fuel related, or maybe timing, assuming the motor is ok otherwise (are valves adjusted?, do you have intake leaks?, is compression good?),
sometime the carb needs rebuilding, cleaning, new gaskets, etc...
If you have a vacuum advance dizzie, please check that it is operating. pull the hoses off the carb or intake and suck on them one at a time and determine if the breaker point plate moves, and if the system holds vacuum how is the breaker point gap?
Have you attempted any tune up, any history of the motor prior to the problem can help also
Anyway please supply some more details, details can help us help you.
And a big Welcome to the Samba to you and your Bug!
Bug On!
ps where are you located? _________________ Help Prevent VW Engine Fires, see this link.....Engine safety wire information
Stop introducing dirt into your oil when adjusting valves ... https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=683022 |
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 34022 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:23 am Post subject: Re: 1969 beetle stalls when i hit the gas |
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Best advice I got and now give is that whenever the VW isn't running right, go through the tune-up procedure (starting with a valve adjustment).
VW tune-ups cost nothing but time, and along the way you will (1) probably find the problem, such as loose valve or slipped timing; or if not, then (2) you will have eliminated the most common causes before you go the expensive route of randomly replacing parts. |
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vwoldbug Samba Member
Joined: January 28, 2009 Posts: 1214 Location: Ohio
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Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 4:16 am Post subject: Re: 1969 beetle stalls when i hit the gas |
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Keep throwing parts at it then listen to these people . Clean and overhaul carburetor then do a tune up and look inside fuel tank . Also replace fuel hoses . |
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parker007 Samba Member
Joined: December 21, 2011 Posts: 132 Location: california
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Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 4:26 am Post subject: Re: 1969 beetle stalls when i hit the gas |
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next time car will sit put in fuel stabilizer, or better run till empty and put in off road gas. the ethanol eats fuel system when moisture invades. |
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