Vintage Speed Exhaust? (Do you have it?)

Kirk

Yes I searched for "Vintage Speed and VintageSpeed" there were several threads, but no one who had actually bought one. Several people mentioned they thought the shipping price was cost prohibitive, which maybe so, and its expensive, but I have a crappy aftermarket exhaust on my Westy and I've been looking at alternatives. I'm one of the few who prefer to pay more the first time and not have to do it again. Would love to get my hands on a complete stock exhaust and ceramic coat it, but havent stumbled into one yet. Not doing the heater box swap, at least not at this time. I dont want this to turn into a discussion why I should. I'm asking about this particular replacement. In my searches, I read bad things on here about the Thunderbird, but this one looks good. Stainless, so hopefully its durable. Just wondering if anyone has any experience with it at all. Sound/Fit/Quality. Yes, I read their feedback thread. Yes, I watched all of their YouTube videos. I'm asking you.

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=905828

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slammedresto · Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 1:46 pm Post subject:

theres a few people on earlybay.com who have fitted them Kirk
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Kirk · Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 2:47 pm Post subject:

Thank you. Ill head over that way.
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Waves2day · Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 5:14 pm Post subject:

Kirk,
I'm in the same situation. Been running a junk EMPI quiet pack exhuast for a long time and have been looking at this beauty for a while. Just wonder if its all its cracked up to be. Hope you find some good info. If you end up buying one please post about it. Mahalo.
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Kirk · Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 11:29 am Post subject:

Maybe so, but what would it cost me to buy a complete stock exhaust, then new hardware, then ceramic coat it? And would I come out ahead this way? Performance/Durability wise?

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SGKent · Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 11:39 am Post subject:

I don't have one but I think the two choices without a catalytic short of a full blown header system would be, if I were looking for eye-appeal, design, what I can see of quality, and what I know of how to make power:

yes but $435

or this one sprayed with rattlecan aluminum which will last a very long time for $179

http://busdepot.com/details.jsp?partnumber=071251053E

AND - to benefit HP wise from what looks like extra breathing ability on the top one you will need a set of dual carbs, some nice aircleaners, some porting and polishing on your heads and a much longer duration camshaft.
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Kirk · Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 11:57 am Post subject:

Right, but I have a '77. Thus part of the problem. I'm not changing the heat exchangers.
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SGKent · Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 12:50 pm Post subject:

Kirk · Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 2:17 pm Post subject:

Sorry. Its the only pic they had. Apparently they make them for both they 72-74 and the 75-78. I can see how that could be confusing. Sorry 'bout that. Otherwise kinda sucks for us 75-78 guys.
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babysnakes · Samba Member Joined: August 19, 2008 Posts: 7106

If you're gonna drop 5 bills on an exhaust, you should call them to see if they offer the needed flange.

SGKent · Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 2:59 pm Post subject:

borninabus · Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 3:47 pm Post subject:

still no one who "has it"?

we did one on a split bus. from what i saw of the quality it is top notch. these are hand made. not mass produced.
the turn around time was a bit long unless you can find someone in the states that "has it" and you can "buy it" from them Smile

we are looking into a 550 spyder style unit for a replica.
they will basically fab up anything you want.
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Esher127 · Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 3:59 pm Post subject:

WhirledTraveller · Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 2:14 pm Post subject:

hurst_dave · Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 2:55 pm Post subject:

I've been thinking about this Vintage Speed exhaust for a while too as it seems to fit well and keeps ground clearance the same as stock, the $500 would be justified since it's SS and should last 5x as long as any EMPI with hopefully better performance.

This thread has some interesting exhaust info, if you haven't read it already: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=423803&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc

...Ray Greenwood has a good post on the 2nd page talking about how increasing the volume of the stock muffler gives cooler temps and better power/MPG on a 1700, so I'd think that the higher volume of this Vintage Speed should allow the same benefits for a 2L.

atomicmime · Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 3:37 pm Post subject:

Looks as if, under the Type 4 Features in their ad, they are saying all flange types are available:

3. Thick nickel plated steel Flanges can be match port

So, triangular flanges should be available.
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TomWesty · Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 4:14 pm Post subject:

SGKent · Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 4:59 pm Post subject:

LMAO

Bay owners have been talking about the Holy Grail of mufflers since the 1970s, maybe before and still no one wants to get behind one they are so slow.

Below is a graph of HP and torque on 914-4 engines. One of the main HP differences other than the 914-6 on one trace is camshafts. Notice how little difference there is in HP until the RPM range increases to 3500-4000 RPM. The same for torque, it has much to do with the cam and engine displacement at the lower RPMS.

$500 is for eye appeal only unless you have the cam, carbs, intake and porting to go with it. As long as you understand and accept that, go for it.

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Jake Raby · Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 5:16 pm Post subject:

Stainless steel is not all its cracked up to be for street cars.. The material is very difficult to keep from cracking around welds and flanges..

I have experienced the Vintage Speed units and they do have their applications.
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