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6V-Knechten Samba Member
Joined: December 13, 2007 Posts: 14 Location: Paradise Road - Norway
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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 2:35 am Post subject: Abarth 36 Hp carburator kit |
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A carburator kit has found it's way into our garage. The kit fitted a 36 Hp "dummy" engine very well, and the fuel lines matches up perfectly with the fuelpump. The intake manifolds have a "Abarth" logo each, and the aircleaners supplied has a "F.I.S.P.A Torino" sign on them. The carburators looks like Solex 32 PBIC as far as I can tell. The setup seems very wide, but after some control meassuring, the engine would squeeze in my 52 T1 with some milimeters clearence. The linkage is missing on the kit, but it looks like a kadron-like linkage could fit. I have searched the internet, and this forum, without finding much information about this kit. There is no doubt that it's "factory" made, and not a home-build. Any information on this Abarth kit would be very helpful, especially something that can show the linkage. I will try to post some more pictures on the garage blog: http://outlavws.blogspot.com
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vwtoyguy Samba Member
Joined: January 31, 2005 Posts: 344 Location: West Fork, AR
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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 7:44 am Post subject: |
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That carb setup is pretty cool.
The Solex 32 PBIC carbs where used in the Okrasa kits as well. _________________ 1957 Karmann Ghia
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oval53/split52 Samba Member
Joined: June 05, 2004 Posts: 195 Location: Norway
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Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 2:30 am Post subject: Re: Abarth 36 Hp carburator kit |
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I've been following this tread carefully. Lots of people have read it, but allmost no replys. WHHY??
This kit has to be extremely rare - and rare stuff is often commented.
Express anlage is next to nothing in rarity compared to this.
Dig deep into your old adds and see if you can find some information about it. Pleeeaase..
6V-Knechten wrote: |
A carburator kit has found it's way into our garage. The kit fitted a 36 Hp "dummy" engine very well, and the fuel lines matches up perfectly with the fuelpump. The intake manifolds have a "Abarth" logo each, and the aircleaners supplied has a "F.I.S.P.A Torino" sign on them. The carburators looks like Solex 32 PBIC as far as I can tell. The setup seems very wide, but after some control meassuring, the engine would squeeze in my 52 T1 with some milimeters clearence. The linkage is missing on the kit, but it looks like a kadron-like linkage could fit. I have searched the internet, and this forum, without finding much information about this kit. There is no doubt that it's "factory" made, and not a home-build. Any information on this Abarth kit would be very helpful, especially something that can show the linkage. I will try to post some more pictures on the garage blog: http://outlavws.blogspot.com
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oval56 Samba Member
Joined: July 21, 2003 Posts: 1309 Location: oktoberfest maintown
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Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 3:04 am Post subject: Re: Abarth 36 Hp carburator kit |
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[quote="oval53/split52"]I've been following this tread carefully. Lots of people have read it, but allmost no replys. WHHY??
This kit has to be extremely rare - and rare stuff is often commented.
Express anlage is next to nothing in rarity compared to this.
Dig deep into your old adds and see if you can find some information about it. Pleeeaase..
6V-Knechten wrote: |
A carburator kit has found it's way into our garage. The kit fitted a 36 Hp "dummy" engine very well, and the fuel lines matches up perfectly with the fuelpump. The intake manifolds have a "Abarth" logo each, and the aircleaners supplied has a "F.I.S.P.A Torino" sign on them. The carburators looks like Solex 32 PBIC as far as I can tell. The setup seems very wide, but after some control meassuring, the engine would squeeze in my 52 T1 with some milimeters clearence. The linkage is missing on the kit, but it looks like a kadron-like linkage could fit. I have searched the internet, and this forum, without finding much information about this kit. There is no doubt that it's "factory" made, and not a home-build. Any information on this Abarth kit would be very helpful, especially something that can show the linkage. I will try to post some more pictures on the garage blog: http://outlavws.blogspot.com
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the problem would be that nobdy has ever seen a kit like yours!
pretty cool, but the manofolds look like a convertion from an original cuted an welded manofold mouted with a side change from left to right... _________________ www.oval56.com
1956 Oval, 2364ccm typ4
1957 Oval Ragtop 1584ccm singel port modified
1950 Hebmüller, 1584ccm okrasa modified
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6V-Knechten Samba Member
Joined: December 13, 2007 Posts: 14 Location: Paradise Road - Norway
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Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 4:20 am Post subject: |
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Here is another angle of the manifold. I don't think it has much to do with a "redone" OG manifold, except perhaps the flanges. The only information tracked down on the internet is of course the famous exhaust systems made by Abarth&Co. But Abarth were also working toghether with Porsche in the fifthies, developing their racing cars. Given that this carburator kit has 32 PBIC carburators, the same used on early 356 and Okrasa, there could be a connection? I have also heard that someone maybe has seen a Ghia with this kind of setup in a magazine some years ago. Hopefully the kit will be cleaned up and running on an engine before the summer.
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Kombi Samba Member
Joined: August 02, 2002 Posts: 562 Location: Edmonton, AB, Canada
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Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:09 am Post subject: |
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I was searching a while back and didn't find much. I found a few pictures similar to your set up on some 356 Porsches. I don't know any for sure though. _________________ Air and Water are needed to survive,
you just can't live as long without air!
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6V-Knechten Samba Member
Joined: December 13, 2007 Posts: 14 Location: Paradise Road - Norway
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 6:44 am Post subject: |
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Here is the latest latest "score" on the internet. A schwimmwagen with a aircleaner that looks very similar to the filters on the Abarth-kit.
Anybody out there with some information? I would be very happy for any feedback. |
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6V-Knechten Samba Member
Joined: December 13, 2007 Posts: 14 Location: Paradise Road - Norway
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Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 1:45 am Post subject: Time for a update |
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Well it's been a while since the last posting about this carburator kit. But now the carburator kit is mounted and tested. I mounted the manifolds, carbs and aircleaners to a stock 36 Hp industrial engine with few running hours. The original fuel line was rotten and is temporary replaced by a modern rubber hose and banjo fittings. The linkage for the kit was missing, and a modified CSP linkage is bolted up for now. After a lot of troubleshooting and leaking carbs, the 32 PBIC's is running nice. The summer of 2009 the Abarth carb kit took me and the zwitter for a roundtrip from Norway to Germany covering over 1100 Km. I have about 2500 km on the kit now, and it's running quite nice. I have confirmed that it's definately made for a 25 Hp engine, and given the parts used, it's most likely produced sometime around 1952 by Carlo Abarth in Italy. My next plans involve restoring the fuel line to the exact look of the original. The hose itself is the same as used on Ferraris from the early fifties. I have found a repro line at $10 per inch. Oh well, I only need a little over one meter... (Glad I'm into Volkswagens and not Italian sportcars). I will also try to make an exact copy of the original linkage when I get the time.
More pictures of the carburator kit and car can be found here (1952 zwitter): Vau-Max article
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paulski Samba Member
Joined: March 29, 2005 Posts: 60
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Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 9:09 am Post subject: |
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Cool find, and very nice car too.
Have you noticed much of an increase in power since fitting the kit? |
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Boonies Samba Member
Joined: November 30, 2005 Posts: 816 Location: Chicago
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Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 9:56 am Post subject: |
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You can find more information on Knechten's car here. _________________ The Old Speed Shack |
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loor Samba Member
Joined: November 20, 2008 Posts: 79 Location: germany, southern
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Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 10:02 am Post subject: |
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hey, nice pics!
can you even read the text?
cheers lorenz |
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WorkingClass Samba Member
Joined: October 02, 2004 Posts: 78 Location: netherlands
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Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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I saw a car with the same caburator kit at "hessisch oldendorf" this year.
whas it yours ??? _________________ WWW.WorkingClass.nl |
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6V-Knechten Samba Member
Joined: December 13, 2007 Posts: 14 Location: Paradise Road - Norway
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Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 2:51 am Post subject: |
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WorkingClass wrote: |
I saw a car with the same caburator kit at "hessisch oldendorf" this year.
whas it yours ??? |
Yes, it's my car and carburator kit. I have yet to see a similar kit or pieces of one. Any information would be helpful...
If the bus in the avatar is yours, I saw it too, very cool
Great blog by the way, good inspiration for my next project to be found there. |
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oval56 Samba Member
Joined: July 21, 2003 Posts: 1309 Location: oktoberfest maintown
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Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:36 am Post subject: |
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6V-Knechten wrote: |
WorkingClass wrote: |
I saw a car with the same caburator kit at "hessisch oldendorf" this year.
whas it yours ??? |
Yes, it's my car and carburator kit. I have yet to see a similar kit or pieces of one. Any information would be helpful...
If the bus in the avatar is yours, I saw it too, very cool
Great blog by the way, good inspiration for my next project to be found there. |
i do have also one setup, carbs, manifolds, only aircleaners are missing! _________________ www.oval56.com
1956 Oval, 2364ccm typ4
1957 Oval Ragtop 1584ccm singel port modified
1950 Hebmüller, 1584ccm okrasa modified
DBK Germany!!!!!!!!!!
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The Vdub Hub Samba Member
Joined: May 03, 2008 Posts: 193 Location: California USA
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 4:51 am Post subject: I'm taking over from here |
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oval56 wrote: |
6V-Knechten wrote: |
WorkingClass wrote: |
I saw a car with the same caburator kit at "hessisch oldendorf" this year.
whas it yours ??? |
Yes, it's my car and carburator kit. I have yet to see a similar kit or pieces of one. Any information would be helpful...
If the bus in the avatar is yours, I saw it too, very cool
Great blog by the way, good inspiration for my next project to be found there. |
i do have also one setup, carbs, manifolds, only aircleaners are missing! |
I was lucky enough to purchase the Abarth kit from Andrea- Thank you. So now it's up to me to find those illusive F.I.S.P.A. Torino air cleaners.
Thank you Andrea, your Abarth kit has gone to a good home and is in good hands now.
Mark |
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WorkingClass Samba Member
Joined: October 02, 2004 Posts: 78 Location: netherlands
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:48 am Post subject: |
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I was lucky enough to purchase the Abarth kit from Andrea- Thank you. So now it's up to me to find those illusive F.I.S.P.A. Torino air cleaners.
Thank you Andrea, your Abarth kit has gone to a good home and is in good hands now.
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You beated me mark i made an offer though ebay but apparently it helps to offer outside ebay and get it withdrawn...
good luck with it and find those torino air filters to make it a real looker
6V-Knechten : thanks for the compliment, any plans to visit the badcamberg show _________________ WWW.WorkingClass.nl |
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surfindo Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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WorkingClass wrote: |
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I was lucky enough to purchase the Abarth kit from Andrea- Thank you. So now it's up to me to find those illusive F.I.S.P.A. Torino air cleaners.
Thank you Andrea, your Abarth kit has gone to a good home and is in good hands now.
Mark |
You beated me mark i made an offer though ebay but apparently it helps to offer outside ebay and get it withdrawn...
good luck with it and find those torino air filters to make it a real looker
6V-Knechten : thanks for the compliment, any plans to visit the badcamberg show |
small world huh!!!
I saw the add on ebay as well but its gone now
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The Vdub Hub Samba Member
Joined: May 03, 2008 Posts: 193 Location: California USA
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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oval56 wrote: |
6V-Knechten wrote: |
WorkingClass wrote: |
I saw a car with the same caburator kit at "hessisch oldendorf" this year.
whas it yours ??? |
Yes, it's my car and carburator kit. I have yet to see a similar kit or pieces of one. Any information would be helpful...
If the bus in the avatar is yours, I saw it too, very cool
Great blog by the way, good inspiration for my next project to be found there. |
i do have also one setup, carbs, manifolds, only aircleaners are missing! |
ONLY the air cleaners? Ha ha ha ha |
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oval56 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 7:44 am Post subject: |
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WorkingClass wrote: |
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I was lucky enough to purchase the Abarth kit from Andrea- Thank you. So now it's up to me to find those illusive F.I.S.P.A. Torino air cleaners.
Thank you Andrea, your Abarth kit has gone to a good home and is in good hands now.
Mark |
You beated me mark i made an offer though ebay but apparently it helps to offer outside ebay and get it withdrawn...
good luck with it and find those torino air filters to make it a real looker
6V-Knechten : thanks for the compliment, any plans to visit the badcamberg show |
my fault, i added it first on ebay, but i adjusted the startingday... so meantime i had it on thesamba and mark was first and for sure it is in gooood hands _________________ www.oval56.com
1956 Oval, 2364ccm typ4
1957 Oval Ragtop 1584ccm singel port modified
1950 Hebmüller, 1584ccm okrasa modified
DBK Germany!!!!!!!!!!
www.dbkvw.com |
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