Big brake alternative: Jaguar and Eurovan combo

[ALIKA T3]

Good point, but replacing a caliper on the road is rare
Yeah that`s the kind of mod I would have a machinist do for the caliper.
I replaced a head gasket on the road, never had to do a caliper
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Silicone Steering Boots and 930 Cv boots for sale in the classifieds.
Syncro transmission upgrade parts in the Classifieds.
Subaru EJ22+UN1 5 speed transmission
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=416343
Syncro http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4...num+gadget

[buspor63]

Zeitgeist 13 and Alika T3, thanks for the update.
At this point, I feel more confident in grinding on the upright than I do drilling and tapping another fluid port. Additionally, on the road caliper replacement would be easier if only the mounting holes needed to be drilled and tapped.
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Imagine that, theres not an "h" in either Westfalia or Syncro?

[ALIKA T3]

Hello!

If you don't want to grind the upright to clear the banjo fitting, it looks like yours are cast to allow drilling and tapping the other side, like the Renault Master are.
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Silicone Steering Boots and 930 Cv boots for sale in the classifieds.
Syncro transmission upgrade parts in the Classifieds.
Subaru EJ22+UN1 5 speed transmission
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=416343
Syncro http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4...num+gadget

[Zeitgeist 13]

I can't speak to whether it's still a relevant upgrade option, but I'm still running mine and the stopping power is impressive.
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Casey--

'89 Bluestar ALH w/12mm Waldo pump, PP764 and GT2052
'01 Weekender --> full camper
y u rune klassik?

[buspor63]

Is this still a relevant brake upgrade? I've just picked up calipers and rotors from a 1986 XJ6. This is my second go at this, I bailed on the first when I realized all eight pistons were rusted tight. Mine aren't cast with "SG", I think the first set were. I picked up the hoses from a Ford Expire.. um ...Aspire.

My plan is to put them on a Syncro. Alika T3, do I have to relocate the fluid port, or can I squeeze the banjo fitting in there? I will probably use the Sharan disc if I can get them.

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Imagine that, theres not an "h" in either Westfalia or Syncro?

[ALIKA T3]

Hi Paul!

I have no idea, I would assume they look kinda deep already and would clear but hard to know for sure til somebody tries... Send me an extra set, I`ll tell you
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Silicone Steering Boots and 930 Cv boots for sale in the classifieds.
Syncro transmission upgrade parts in the Classifieds.
Subaru EJ22+UN1 5 speed transmission
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=416343
Syncro http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4...num+gadget

[Franklinstower]

rehashing this old thread about the Jag brakes and Rotors:

Anyone run the CLK light weight forged wheels with the Jag Calipers? If so, was a spacer needed or not? I know the Rotor has a thickness of about 9 or 9.5mm pushing the effective ET on those wheels (37) down to about 28.

I am about to pick up a set of those rims, so I am doing some pre planning.

Thanks,

Paul
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'89 Westy - EJ25/22 Frank 4.44 5mt
'75 Miami Blue Sunroof FI Standard Bug

[slackin' at work]

yes. "deep dish" is the description I was searching for.

so yeah, your solution is perfect.
unfortunately, my wheel choice was made years ago, and cant bring myself to switch.

if I was starting a new van, or open to wheel changes this setup would be awesome.

all my parts from above have been returned other than the non-refundable custom-made brake lines.
so if anyone needs them, let me know. they'll be collecting dust in my shop.
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`20 SQ5
`06 Z4M coupe
`04 R32
`84 MK1 GTI
`76 Brasilia

[ALIKA T3]

To get ET30, I had to use ET53 steel wheels with a spacer to obtain a deep dish wheel and clear the calipers.
Most steel wheels are pretty "flat".
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Silicone Steering Boots and 930 Cv boots for sale in the classifieds.
Syncro transmission upgrade parts in the Classifieds.
Subaru EJ22+UN1 5 speed transmission
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=416343
Syncro http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4...num+gadget

[slackin' at work]

[Franklinstower]

[slackin' at work]

welp,
looks like Im going to need to bail on this project.
now that I got all the major parts I have determined that to run my 16" mefro steel wheels, I will need a huge spacer... like 15mm.
so that plus the built in 6mm per side track addition, it would be way too big for my tastes.

this conversion would work with a lot of other popular wheels. it's just that the mefros have a very flat center section.
changing the wheels is not an option... I love my mefros.

I dont want to sully this thread with a classifieds-esque post, but hit me up if you want to try this conversion for a sweet deal.
I have all the parts now including new drill bits and tap.
I'll probably try to return most of the big stuff, but would rather see it go to someone who would use it.


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`20 SQ5
`06 Z4M coupe
`04 R32
`84 MK1 GTI
`76 Brasilia

[Franklinstower]

Nice set up!
I'm still loving my jag front brakes. I'm 8 years into my original install.
Now I have a 280mm rear set up with an awesome ebrake that compliments the jag brakes nicely!
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'89 Westy - EJ25/22 Frank 4.44 5mt
'75 Miami Blue Sunroof FI Standard Bug

[slackin' at work]

bumping this thread.

so Ive almost completed my to-get list.
• new jag calipers.
• slotted/dippled jag rotors (splurge)
• ebc pads (splurge)
• custom brake lines from apexbrakes.com (as noted in this thread)
• new late model rotors to turn down to hubs.

Im coming from an early van, so I'll be milling my spindles to late model specs
since late model spindles are being price-gouged at $400-500 a pair, the conversion is easy enough.

I'll be all in at less then $800 even with my splurges. so this is still a great setup.
to be honest it's not really the cost. it's the 'being different' that I like.
well, that, plus sweet 4-pot calipers.

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`20 SQ5
`06 Z4M coupe
`04 R32
`84 MK1 GTI
`76 Brasilia

[randolph57]

OK so i don't 'overegg' the pudding so to speak looks like i will be grinding the spindles and using the earlier S and G calipers which are strangely more appealing to me visually than the Renault calipers and just using the brake pipe direct to the banjo (unless anyone can show me how they secured a hard pipe-so i can use my original stainless braided hoses )-its all being done to a budget!!
Now if i can only get all this under my 15" Azev A's!!!!!

[vwfreek61]

I just have a banjo bolt going directly to the caliper on mine. Most modern cars use this method without any extra support. I clocked the banjo fitting in a position so there was no interference with the suspension lock-to-lock.
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Kenneth
1964 Bug with Saxomat
1976 VW/Harley Trike Autostick
1987 Vanagon Westy w/Subaru EJ25 and reversed 4EAT

[ALIKA T3]

You're welcome!

Yes Syncro specific hole.

Yoi can always make a bracket off the upper ball joint nut, à la fixed caliper style
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Silicone Steering Boots and 930 Cv boots for sale in the classifieds.
Syncro transmission upgrade parts in the Classifieds.
Subaru EJ22+UN1 5 speed transmission
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=416343
Syncro http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4...num+gadget

[randolph57]

Hi Alika
Thanks for the reply-I don't think the annual MOT tester would allow anything to be zip tied to a spring here in the uk although i will check with my brother who is a certified Government tester.
It just seems to be a long way without support after the hydraulic fitting on the caliper to the chasis mount-don't know about the hole in the upright and can't remember seeing one yesterday when using the vans braking system to free up the Girling pistons lthough that is probably syncro specific!
I suppose i can always drill my own hole (with propriety bit)-sounds like a lot of fun!

[ALIKA T3]

[randolph57]

Hello
I have started collecting parts equired for this conversion and am quite envious of the avaiability and price of callipers on your side of the pond. on ebay here some of the prices for a unknown quality caliper that will inevitably require rebuild means i am now looking at the (slightly) more available Renault master caliper that is already overhauled and has the more favourable port inlet.
The spare hubs i have are being machined to suit the sharan discs but i have a concern with the way the brake line has been secured (or not) on the installs already completed. My OE calipers have a bracket where hard line meets braided hose whereas the Girling caliper (Renault or jag) does not.
Does this not mean extra forces are put on the hard line connection or banjo bolt due to lock to lock steering changes and 'weight' of pipeline that surely 'work hardens' solid pipework that is unsupported?
Any pictures looking back from chassis to wheel showing any bracketry gratefully received!

Chris