Big brake alternative: Jaguar and Eurovan combo

[baltik]

[ALIKA T3]

[vwfreek61]

[vwfreek61]

I still need to re-seal the calipers, but I did a test fit to make sure everything would work. I am using the Sharan rotors. The pads are pretty much even with the top of the rotor. I used .125 x 5/8" arbor shims to center the caliper on my 2wd, it's less than 1/32" off now (EDIT: With new pads it was too tight on the outside pad, so I added a couple .025 arbor shims for a total of .175).

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Kenneth
1964 Bug with Saxomat
1976 VW/Harley Trike Autostick
1987 Vanagon Westy w/Subaru EJ25 and reversed 4EAT

[ALIKA T3]

I seriously think they're different cast tolerances , I would have needed to shave 1mm off the calipers while you had to space them out....
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Silicone Steering Boots and 930 Cv boots for sale in the classifieds.
Syncro transmission upgrade parts in the Classifieds.
Subaru EJ22+UN1 5 speed transmission
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=416343
Syncro http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4...num+gadget

[ALIKA T3]

Wait, u on a 2wd? I was talking about my Syncro
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Silicone Steering Boots and 930 Cv boots for sale in the classifieds.
Syncro transmission upgrade parts in the Classifieds.
Subaru EJ22+UN1 5 speed transmission
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=416343
Syncro http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4...num+gadget

[vwfreek61]

[vwfreek61]

I've got everything together and working on my 2wd using the Sharan rotors. I had to add a couple more shims to the calipers to space them out to .175". The calipers did not clear my 7-spoke CLK wheels without adding a 5mm wheel spacer. I switched to the forged CLK wheels and they clear the caliper without a wheel spacer. I'd say there is about 5mm clearance between the caliper and wheel.

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Kenneth
1964 Bug with Saxomat
1976 VW/Harley Trike Autostick
1987 Vanagon Westy w/Subaru EJ25 and reversed 4EAT

[ALIKA T3]

Looks good
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Silicone Steering Boots and 930 Cv boots for sale in the classifieds.
Syncro transmission upgrade parts in the Classifieds.
Subaru EJ22+UN1 5 speed transmission
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=416343
Syncro http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4...num+gadget

[ALIKA T3]

Hello!

I have been searching for a while of calipers that would be the same bolt spacing as the vanagon, they are in fact a lot of them out there, but for those that have the money, you can mount billet calipers instead of the cast Jaguar XJ calipers for £595

http://www.coopercraft.co.uk/index.php/2010/10/kit-6-billet-aluminium-vented-front/
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Silicone Steering Boots and 930 Cv boots for sale in the classifieds.
Syncro transmission upgrade parts in the Classifieds.
Subaru EJ22+UN1 5 speed transmission
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=416343
Syncro http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4...num+gadget

[randolph57]

Hello
I have started collecting parts equired for this conversion and am quite envious of the avaiability and price of callipers on your side of the pond. on ebay here some of the prices for a unknown quality caliper that will inevitably require rebuild means i am now looking at the (slightly) more available Renault master caliper that is already overhauled and has the more favourable port inlet.
The spare hubs i have are being machined to suit the sharan discs but i have a concern with the way the brake line has been secured (or not) on the installs already completed. My OE calipers have a bracket where hard line meets braided hose whereas the Girling caliper (Renault or jag) does not.
Does this not mean extra forces are put on the hard line connection or banjo bolt due to lock to lock steering changes and 'weight' of pipeline that surely 'work hardens' solid pipework that is unsupported?
Any pictures looking back from chassis to wheel showing any bracketry gratefully received!

Chris

[ALIKA T3]

[randolph57]

Hi Alika
Thanks for the reply-I don't think the annual MOT tester would allow anything to be zip tied to a spring here in the uk although i will check with my brother who is a certified Government tester.
It just seems to be a long way without support after the hydraulic fitting on the caliper to the chasis mount-don't know about the hole in the upright and can't remember seeing one yesterday when using the vans braking system to free up the Girling pistons lthough that is probably syncro specific!
I suppose i can always drill my own hole (with propriety bit)-sounds like a lot of fun!

[ALIKA T3]

You're welcome!

Yes Syncro specific hole.

Yoi can always make a bracket off the upper ball joint nut, à la fixed caliper style
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Silicone Steering Boots and 930 Cv boots for sale in the classifieds.
Syncro transmission upgrade parts in the Classifieds.
Subaru EJ22+UN1 5 speed transmission
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=416343
Syncro http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4...num+gadget

[vwfreek61]

I just have a banjo bolt going directly to the caliper on mine. Most modern cars use this method without any extra support. I clocked the banjo fitting in a position so there was no interference with the suspension lock-to-lock.
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Kenneth
1964 Bug with Saxomat
1976 VW/Harley Trike Autostick
1987 Vanagon Westy w/Subaru EJ25 and reversed 4EAT

[randolph57]

OK so i don't 'overegg' the pudding so to speak looks like i will be grinding the spindles and using the earlier S and G calipers which are strangely more appealing to me visually than the Renault calipers and just using the brake pipe direct to the banjo (unless anyone can show me how they secured a hard pipe-so i can use my original stainless braided hoses )-its all being done to a budget!!
Now if i can only get all this under my 15" Azev A's!!!!!

[slackin' at work]

bumping this thread.

so Ive almost completed my to-get list.
• new jag calipers.
• slotted/dippled jag rotors (splurge)
• ebc pads (splurge)
• custom brake lines from apexbrakes.com (as noted in this thread)
• new late model rotors to turn down to hubs.

Im coming from an early van, so I'll be milling my spindles to late model specs
since late model spindles are being price-gouged at $400-500 a pair, the conversion is easy enough.

I'll be all in at less then $800 even with my splurges. so this is still a great setup.
to be honest it's not really the cost. it's the 'being different' that I like.
well, that, plus sweet 4-pot calipers.

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`20 SQ5
`06 Z4M coupe
`04 R32
`84 MK1 GTI
`76 Brasilia

[Franklinstower]

Nice set up!
I'm still loving my jag front brakes. I'm 8 years into my original install.
Now I have a 280mm rear set up with an awesome ebrake that compliments the jag brakes nicely!
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'89 Westy - EJ25/22 Frank 4.44 5mt
'75 Miami Blue Sunroof FI Standard Bug

[slackin' at work]

welp,
looks like Im going to need to bail on this project.
now that I got all the major parts I have determined that to run my 16" mefro steel wheels, I will need a huge spacer... like 15mm.
so that plus the built in 6mm per side track addition, it would be way too big for my tastes.

this conversion would work with a lot of other popular wheels. it's just that the mefros have a very flat center section.
changing the wheels is not an option... I love my mefros.

I dont want to sully this thread with a classifieds-esque post, but hit me up if you want to try this conversion for a sweet deal.
I have all the parts now including new drill bits and tap.
I'll probably try to return most of the big stuff, but would rather see it go to someone who would use it.


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`20 SQ5
`06 Z4M coupe
`04 R32
`84 MK1 GTI
`76 Brasilia

[Franklinstower]