Reproduction parts warning

busdaddy · Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 5:39 pm Post subject: Reproduction parts warning

I discovered the latest repro road draft tube drain boot or breather tube boot that CIP is selling dosen't have the end slit like it should, also the part is thinner and lacks the internal lug that goes into the hole on the side of the breather tube to retain it. Not a high dollar part but it could mess up an engine if installed directly out of the bag. IDK if other sell the same item but I thought a warning was in order.
http://www.cip1.ca/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=C16%2D311%2D541

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Note: pic robbed from Wolfsburg west and may not be from the same manufacturer.
Email sent to CIP, we'll see what they say.
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durfeec · Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 5:45 pm Post subject:

Bought one over the winter and cut a slit in it. I'd imagine more ppl are not even running that than running the repop one.

Would it hurt to not run one?
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busdaddy · Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 6:04 pm Post subject:

skills@eurocarsplus · Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 6:10 pm Post subject:

yep. bought one at a show because i needed one. after much ridicule from vwpieces and hazetguy, i got the real deal NOS one from hazetguy. a zip tie and a slit did do the trick on the crappy one (which is better than none if thats all you have)
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busdaddy · Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 7:13 pm Post subject:

Hmmmm... I wonder if this relates in any way to the exceptionally large amount of milky oil / milkshake in my oil cap threads this winter?
If that cheapo boot didn't drain the engine couldn't shed it's condensate from the oil, or if there was no boot in place the air cleaner would be drawing air solely through the draft tube bypassing the crankcase completely, another cause of condensate buildup.

Those shmartypants German engineers gave that oil filler some serious lab coat/pocket protector/slide rule thought, it's a thin metal chamber exposed to the cold incoming cooling air on it's way to the fan when you're driving down the road, the crankcase gasses are drawn out of the case via the flow through the crank pulley and pass through the outer chamber of the filler assembly to condense out the water on the cool metal shell then dripping away down the draft tube and out that slit.

I'm not sure of the reasoning behind the later 74+ type 1 breather but I'm sure the larger hose diameter and hotter running smog engine were capable of shedding condensation in the oil in some other way, I've learned to wait until the answer presents itself because there's always a reason for a certain way VW did things, you just have to find it sometimes.
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SGKent · Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 7:16 pm Post subject:

Mark - I have seen that even in the 1970's with ones bought straight from the dealer. That is why there is so much corrosion inside the generator towers.
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outrun1984 · Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 7:35 pm Post subject:

could somebody please tell me where this part is or post a pictures....im getting the same milkshake residue in my oil filler neck and cap as welll....could this be my problem??
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busdaddy · Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 7:45 pm Post subject:

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Desertbusman · Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 10:00 pm Post subject:

I also ran into one of those non slit road draft tube boots. And it wasn't from CIP since I don't/won't deal with them.
Actually, it's not much different than about any part you buy from about any source. Know what the part is supposed to do and carefully inspect it. That particular part is a simple check valve. Unfortunately pretty much any and every part needs some amount of massaging, and at least inspection.
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Mr.Mexi · Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 10:32 pm Post subject:

Collie · Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 1:39 am Post subject:

ccpalmer · Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 4:19 am Post subject:

My boot from WW had the slit in it..
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outrun1984 · Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 4:55 am Post subject:

yep colder than normal, tons of snow, lots of sitting..oil only got to temp like 3 times since Christmas.......long road trip coming up tho lots of highway miles....and hill climbs......that milky stuff should burn off i assume.
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Mr.Mexi · Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 5:25 am Post subject:

this thing has got me thinking!! From this forum,I have learned so much about how VW designed e v e r y t h i n g for a purpose,and have changed stuff on my engine to get it as stock as possible.Now - I'll have to get one of these fitted!!.. I havn't got one or ever seen one on any of my engines - which is really not good!

From the description, I can see what it does but I can't see how it does it! Its obviously not just a straight rubber tube,as that would simply be an extention of the pipe and not make a difference.
So, is there a valve or something in the end that stops the crap getting sucked in? how does it work?

Heritage have them on this side of the pond...
http://www.vwheritage.com/vw_act_shop.product_pID_45843_lang_EN_country_GB.htm

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pittwagen · Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 9:57 am Post subject:

After reading this I went out and checked the boot (on my buggy engine) I purchased from CIP1 about 2 years ago. Slit was there!! So maybe a different supplier from who knows where.

I often wonder whether any quality control is done on the supply side or rather the business plan is to let the end user perform the function. I'll be interested to hear what CIP1 has to say.

On the weather front I live about 15km north of busdaddy as the crow flies. We have a federal gov't. weather station here and so far in April we have seen 1 day where the daily high temp. met the historical monthly average. Temps are 4-5 degrees C. below normal. It has been cold and wet since Sept. last year.

No milky residue in the oil filler cap area for either the 73 beetle or 79 van which are driven year round. Sure helps to use a lighter grade oil though. I always try to drive at least 20 km per trip as well.

Randy in Maine · Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 10:01 am Post subject:

hazetguy · Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 10:10 am Post subject:

two things i have seen on every reproduction boot:
-the slit is too small or non-existent
-the rubber nub on the inside that holds the boot to the metal tube is too small or non-existent.
and most of the reproductions i have seen are made out of rubber that is too stiff.

the ultra-crappy reproductions make the NOS Genuine VW ones i sell for $5 look like a great deal!
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vdubzen · Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 11:15 am Post subject:

didn't want to do a transaction in the page, sorry. taken to PM.
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