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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Oasis: I can wait, and i have waited all winter. My goal was to do it in the spring so i can use the van worry free for the summer camping season. Have a few reservations locked down at yosemite and plan to go other places too.



I have decided to go with the 2200, and an entirely new exhaust system.

Good for you.

My Super was totaled three years ago. It still hasn't been replaced. The Vanagon/EuroVan replacement ideas have been festering for a long time, too, with an actual plan finally coming into focus.

Waiting has its virtues. Waiting ain't always what it's cracked up to be. Seems like you found the right balance. I envy you.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Looks like he procrastinated a few months too long... and is now stuck at GoWesty?


no need to throw stones.

You read a lot more into that post than was ever intended.

I'll bow out.. and best of luck.


Ok, thanks for the clarification.
I am sorry.
Maybe I did read into it, my apologies.

Regardless I did not feel being called a procrastinator was anything positive or contribute in a good way to this thread.

Thanks
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Looks like he procrastinated a few months too long... and is now stuck at GoWesty?


no need to throw stones.

You read a lot more into that post than was ever intended.

I'll bow out.. and best of luck.
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those are straight line runs with light weight race cars for only 1/4mile at a time..
not pushing a loaded brick up a mountain pass with a family of 4+ inside expecting to have an event free vacation..
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 2:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Gowesty 2200 vs. 2300 - advice? Reply with quote

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Also, the van is already at go westy.


Sounds like you are in good hands.
I am not a fan of building the waterboxer past 2.2 myself.
Boston Bob was a good friend and he schooled me when I contacted him to build me a superboxer.
If they choose to and give a warranty of 4 years 48k miles,
all the power to them.
That's awesome!

I can relate to clients wanting the job done right.
I have a few of those myself.

Its a GW thread and I am not knocking them at all, I support most of what they do and appreciate all that they offer parts wise.
They certainly have the buying power I wish I had when NLA or fabricated parts come available.
I'd snatch it all up too.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yeah, but... it isn't always a realistic choice.

I guess so..
Ianstone posted here many months ago about doing a Subaru swap. But he was put off by the expense of doing one using professionals like Buslab.

Looks like he procrastinated a few months too long... and is now stuck at GoWesty?


no need to throw stones.
I did not procrastinate. As i said in my first post, I have been saving all winter so i can make this happen. I surely could have waited for a 10c motor - but didn't know anyone that would put it in and as i said i wanted the peace of mind that a warranty would provide. I also mentioned i'm not a wrencher or even part time mechanic, so I wanted something reliable that would come with some sort of guarantee.

I wasn't necessarily put off by the expense of the subaru swap, that was only part of it.
I had already invested in a new cooling system, new trans, fuel lines, plugs wires distributor and more on the WBX. From my understanding these would just be sunk costs and i'd be starting over if i went subaru. I also thought that having a custom setup might make it tougher to find people willing to work on - especially out on the road. Also, being from CA the Subaru options are not that wide, due to CA smog laws. So i did have more reasons than just $, but thanks for making an assumption and making me out to be someone who is up the creek without a paddle.
I'm not "Stuck" at go westy.
After saving all winter, i brought the van down there by choice. I live in the bay area and it was a good 230mi to get the van there.


I started this thread to get opinions discussing the 2200 go westy engine vs. the 2300. I even posted in my OP that i didn't want to hear the "oh you should have got a 10cent" replies. But thanks for putting me and my choices down.


To the rest of you - i really appreciate the well thought out responses and responses that answer my original question.



Oasis: I can wait, and i have waited all winter. My goal was to do it in the spring so i can use the van worry free for the summer camping season. Have a few reservations locked down at yosemite and plan to go other places too.



I have decided to go with the 2200, and an entirely new exhaust system.
Thank you all for your help and comments. It is really greatly appreciated.

Best,
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 2:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Gowesty 2200 vs. 2300 - advice? Reply with quote

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oh and thanks insyncro - i know, tencent motors are the best. but i have no way to install it myself nor the know-how... and i don't know any local shops here (THAT I TRUST) who can do it for a price that would be comparable to what i'd get all in @ GoWesty.
For someone like myself, who doesn't wrench, this seemed to be the best solution...


Did you try contacting Fred's Garage in Redwood City? I don't know if they do engine installs (I would bet they do), but they are very reputable shop...I have always been satisfied with their work.

Also you could try Weiss Enterprises in Mountain View. Small shop - but Steve may be able to do the work as well.


I'm sure there are ways around it but nobody as reputable as Gowesty. I have had some good and some bad experiences with small shops and I wanted something where I would have a warranty.
I'm not sure that with a 10cent motor i would get a 4yr/48k warranty.

Also, the van is already at go westy.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 7:00 am    Post subject: Re: Gowesty 2200 vs. 2300 - advice? Reply with quote

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So my van is now at gowesty, and what I was afraid of is reality - i need a new exhaust system. Bummer. This will add about 1300 to my final bill... so it puts me in a tight spot financially if i go with the 2300.

I don't know squat about tencent or gowesty, but the testimonials for both gowesty's engines seem fine. Therefore, don't put yourself into a financial bottleneck because you had your mind set.

If you can wait, then your decision is based on whether you want to wait. It sort of sounds like you can't or don't want to.

I had a Super Beetle a few years ago and I was budgeting for an eventual 2270cc Type IV engine. Along the way, a great deal for a 2056cc Type IV became available. I decided to go for it. As much as I may lean towards a 2270cc for whatever my next project might be, getting the 2056cc was a blast to have.

Personally, I think you answered your own question. Go with the 2.2 you can afford with the new exhaust and enjoy it. You may not enjoy the 2.3 so much if you're always driving around with a financial cloud over your head.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps you have your answer -- but FWIW I have had the GoWesty 2.2 for 5 years / 32,000 miles and am delighted with the performance & mpg. Had a 1.9L before so the bump was noticeable. I do a lot of mountain driving and get to use 4th gear much more often now.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been running a GoWesty 2.3 for 3 years now and have been very satisfied. Not only with the engine but with the service that GoWesty has provided me with since the install. 2.2 or 2.3, you'll be stoked. It's a bummer about the exhaust. It is a 20+ year old ride. Enjoy you new engine.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nothin' wrong with being stuck at GoWesty. I can only take care of a handful of customers, so someone has to take up the slack!

No really, they offer an excellent product and great service, you can't go wrong. If your problem is a choice like the OP is facing, well, we should all wish to have such problems!
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

levi wrote:

Yeah, but... it isn't always a realistic choice.

I guess so..
Ianstone posted here many months ago about doing a Subaru swap. But he was put off by the expense of doing one using professionals like Buslab.

Looks like he procrastinated a few months too long... and is now stuck at GoWesty?
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those are straight line runs with light weight race cars for only 1/4mile at a time..
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Tencent motor, exhaust and oil cooling should be considered!!!I will be installing one next week and will be photo documenting.
Watch for it.

dylan

Absolutely.

If I were not going SVX.. I'd be putting a deposit down on a 10cent motor.. and I'd wait in line as long as I needed to get one.


Yeah, but... it isn't always a realistic choice.
I think he'd be waiting months for a 10c motor, that would mean he's out of action for the whole summer, and the guys already got it on the ramps at gowesty. Sounds like he's commited, no?

Never having driven any of the gowesty powered vans, I can't comment on any perceived difference between 2.2 and 2.3, but geesh, can there really be enough of a difference that anyone could actually notice it with just an extra 100cc?

Surely gowesty must have a similarly equipped van with both engines in them for a test drive?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd get the 2.2. It's a big improvement over stock and you'll be more than happy with it. I drove a friends and it's real nice.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 1:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Gowesty 2200 vs. 2300 - advice? Reply with quote

ianstone wrote:

oh and thanks insyncro - i know, tencent motors are the best. but i have no way to install it myself nor the know-how... and i don't know any local shops here (THAT I TRUST) who can do it for a price that would be comparable to what i'd get all in @ GoWesty.
For someone like myself, who doesn't wrench, this seemed to be the best solution...


Did you try contacting Fred's Garage in Redwood City? I don't know if they do engine installs (I would bet they do), but they are very reputable shop...I have always been satisfied with their work.

Also you could try Weiss Enterprises in Mountain View. Small shop - but Steve may be able to do the work as well.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 6:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Tencent motor, exhaust and oil cooling should be considered!!!I will be installing one next week and will be photo documenting.
Watch for it.

dylan

Absolutely.

If I were not going SVX.. I'd be putting a deposit down on a 10cent motor.. and I'd wait in line as long as I needed to get one.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 10:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Gowesty 2200 vs. 2300 - advice? Reply with quote

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ianstone wrote:
Hey all,

So my van is now at gowesty, and what I was afraid of is reality - i need a new exhaust system. Bummer. This will add about 1300 to my final bill... so it puts me in a tight spot financially if i go with the 2300. The 2300 was my original plan.

Now i am considering the 2200 due to the cost savings and due to the fact that i can still run 87 octane fuel.

thanks.
ian


you could just sell me those mk21's. Wink Good luck with your new motor whichever you choose.

fsulloway


hey frank!
i have a single mk21 - i would consider selling it. I think i've only used it once for M/S with my figure 8.... and i hardly tape that much these days anyways....

i think i am going to go with the 2200.





oh and thanks insyncro - i know, tencent motors are the best. but i have no way to install it myself nor the know-how... and i don't know any local shops here (THAT I TRUST) who can do it for a price that would be comparable to what i'd get all in @ GoWesty.
For someone like myself, who doesn't wrench, this seemed to be the best solution...
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

insyncro wrote:
Tencent motor, exhaust and oil cooling should be considered!!!
I will be installing one next week and will be photo documenting.
Watch for it.

dylan


I fershure will be watching that thread! Thanks for documenting it.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 6:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Gowesty 2200 vs. 2300 - advice? Reply with quote

ianstone wrote:
Hey all,

So my van is now at gowesty, and what I was afraid of is reality - i need a new exhaust system. Bummer. This will add about 1300 to my final bill... so it puts me in a tight spot financially if i go with the 2300. The 2300 was my original plan.

Now i am considering the 2200 due to the cost savings and due to the fact that i can still run 87 octane fuel.

thanks.
ian


you could just sell me those mk21's. Wink Good luck with your new motor whichever you choose.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

on my recently sold 2wd westy, I had a 2.3 GW engine installed following head gaskets issues you describe. I really enjoyed the added power and torque over stock. It is very zippy on the flats and it did really well on the multiple trips over the Sierra Passes near Reno (Mt Rose, Carson, Ebbetts).
It's a tough comparing 2.2 vs 2.3 because with out knowing your driving style and how often you tackle the big contrasts in elevation, it a toss up. My preference would be to go with the 2.3 and make sure the rest of the engine electronics are gone through..

There used to be a table comparing the time it took to go from 0-50 (?) mph for various engines. Search for it on the samba and compare the results of the GW engines.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I vote 2.2

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