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sam_w
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 Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 9:22 am Post subject: Hand Crank Tin? |
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Is there a special tin for a hand crank starter with a pivoting cover for the required hole?
Picture courtesy of an ad in Thing parts.
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Yes there is it has a flap on a hinge built in
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sam_w
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I see the hinge is on the flat/horizontal part of the rear engine tin. Is this OEM correct, or just a individual fix.
there is no reference to the starter handle in the parts manual PDF.
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SilverThing
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| sam_w wrote: |
I see the hinge is on the flat/horizontal part of the rear engine tin. Is this OEM correct, or just a individual fix.
there is no reference to the starter handle in the parts manual PDF. |
There is, but it is not pictured. The handle is listed under the jack, tools section 82 as part number 181 012 312 'Starting Handle M63.' The nut is in section 4 crankshaft, connecting rods, bearings as image 15 part number 122 105 261 'Starting dog.' The rear engine tin is part number 181 119 523H, but I am unsure whether that is the one with the starter hole and flap or not.
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Semper_Dad
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| Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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| sam_w wrote: |
I see the hinge is on the flat/horizontal part of the rear engine tin. Is this OEM correct, or just a individual fix.
there is no reference to the starter handle in the parts manual PDF. |
There is, but it is not pictured. The handle is listed under the jack, tools section 82 as part number 181 012 312 'Starting Handle M63.' The nut is in section 4 crankshaft, connecting rods, bearings as image 15 part number 122 105 261 'Starting dog.' The rear engine tin is part number 181 119 523H, but I am unsure whether that is the one with the starter hole and flap or not. |
Just guessing here but I think the 181 specific rear tin is one without fresh air holes. I'm also guessing that any rear tins for crank equipped vehicles were just "modified" at the factory and not givien a specific part number. Looks like a pretty easy modification.
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| sam_w wrote: |
I see the hinge is on the flat/horizontal part of the rear engine tin. Is this OEM correct, or just a individual fix.
there is no reference to the starter handle in the parts manual PDF. |
You will have to ask this guy. It's his picture
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=4867
Starter handle is part of the M63 package |
it's original. although it's probably from a splitscreen army bus cos of the heater tube holes. my 72 thing didn't actually have a crank. |
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BNMike
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I just bought a new crank hole cover from the Czech Republic. I think all I'll have to do is weld it onto the tin, and cut a hole for the crank 
As you can see in the photo, I picked up the "keyhole" plate for the rear sheetmetal too.
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I just bought a new crank hole cover from the Czech Republic. I think all I'll have to do is weld it onto the tin, and cut a hole for the crank
As you can see in the photo, I picked up the "keyhole" plate for the rear sheetmetal too.
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Thanks Mike. I think that picture clears up a quite a bit.
I believe the 181 crank had an additional pin on the end.
BTW,....what's the other parts?
Looks like some sort of a quick release bracket next to the green can rack. No idea what the other parts are.
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Hi Semper_Dad......
The four round parts are headlight mounting "sockets" and their re-inforcing plates. The more-or-less square part with the round hole is the re-inforcing plate for the Notek light mounting. The quick-release bracket is for the MG34/42 "Gurttrommel" (aka, ammunition belt drum) carrier.
These parts are for my "quasi Kubel", Hermann 
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| Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 7:44 am Post subject: |
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the army ones just had a hinged flap. not like any of the ones in the pictures
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Semper_Dad
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| the army ones just had a hinged flap. not like any of the ones in the pictures |
Hinged flap on the tin?, or the body?
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Hi Semper_Dad......
The quick-release bracket is for the MG34/42 "Gurttrommel" (aka, ammunition belt drum) carrier.
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You definitely live in a rougher neighborhood than I do. 
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on the tin, what good would a hole in the body do?
the crank handle itself was mounted inside the engine compartment btw
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uberautowerks
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No Hole needed in the body. The crank handle passes under it.
And for what it's worth, I believe the crank handle mounted to the inside of the decklid.
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BNMike
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Hi Semper_Dad......
The quick-release bracket is for the MG34/42 "Gurttrommel" (aka, ammunition belt drum) carrier.
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No Hole needed in the body. The crank handle passes under it.
And for what it's worth, I believe the crank handle mounted to the inside of the decklid. |
Uber.....
I guess if the crank passes below the Thing body, I'll have to fab up a bracket to hole the "keyhole" plate
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| I believe the 181 crank had an additional pin on the end. |
How can we find that out for certain? In the classifieds right now I can find them with or without the pin. |
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Semper_Dad
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No Hole needed in the body. The crank handle passes under it.
And for what it's worth, I believe the crank handle mounted to the inside of the decklid. |
You're right (as usual), the crank does passes under the rear body apron then through the rear engine tin. BNMike, I guess you have "extra parts".
I have a picture of a crank handle stowed in the engine lid but don't know if it's correct.
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Semper.....
Ya, I've got the "keyhole" plate, which serves as the "outer bearing" when cranking. It bolts to the rear panel on an "early" real Kubel.
If you have a stock rear bumper on a Thing, it's already got the keyhole cut in it I don't have the stock bumper, so I need to "create" an outside bearing location. A bracket to hold the plate will work just fine
Cutting the hole in the engine tin will be easy, account the "flap" will give me that location.
My crank is a replica bus crank bought from a Samba advertiser. The nut I have has no recess for the Thing "pin", so it should work just fine. If it doesn't...I'll "make it" work
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