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MakeFast Samba Member
Joined: January 09, 2011 Posts: 118 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 9:57 am Post subject: Awning Options |
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Okay, so the wife and I are probably going to get an awning before the summer months - here are the options I have found with prices (after shipping and with whatever is necessary to install)
Fiamma 45: 10' for $1092 @ eurocampers.com (might be cheaper from GW, but sold out)
Benefits: ease of use (mechanical extend and retract); large surface area; body mount option for legs
Disadvantages: complicated mechanical system that has more parts to break
Fiamma 35: 9'10" for $797 @eurocampers.com
Benefits: cheaper; body mount option for legs
Disadvantages: smaller surface area
Shady-Boy: 10'x6' for $464 @van-cafe.com
Benefits: cheap; metallic silver could keep things cooler
Disadvantages: permanent holes to mount (big disadvantage to me); wife doesn't like the way the case looks on the vans w/o the awning up
Dometic: can't find this online
Foxwing: for $724.64 @rockymountainwesty.com
Benefits: HUGE surface area
Disadvantages: never seen one in-use/on a Vanagon; what if we don't have 270 degrees to pull the whole thing out; may not have enough 'mounting points' for all the poles/guylines/etc.
Sunseeker: 8'x6.5' for $459.58 @rockymountainwesty.com
Benefits: cheaper
Disadvantages: never seen it on a van; smaller surface area
Am I missing any options here?
The Fiamma seems to be the 'gold standard' and is what we are leaning towards as the ability to attach the legs to the van seems like it would be something worth having (and the wife really doesn't like the way the Shady Boy looks just sitting on the van - for $330 she might get over it though). And I would probably go with the 35 for cost and because of the possibility of something going wrong mechanically with the 45 makes me wary. The wife would prefer the ease of the 45 though, I'm sure.
If anyone has anything to add, I welcome comments. I emailed RMW about their awnings a few weeks back but never got a response - I would like to see them installed. _________________ 1986 Vanagon Westfalia |
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syncrodoka Samba Member
Joined: December 27, 2005 Posts: 11998 Location: Santa Cruz, CA
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Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 10:13 am Post subject: |
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Van Cafe sell s the Fiamma F45 for a few hundred dollars less. They can probably order you the F35 also.
The shady boy awning is installed with 6 screws in the roof. I wasn't really happy when I bought a van with one installed on the roof. It looked fine and was sturdy but I didn't like the holes in the roof. They take a lot more effort to put up than the Fiamma awnings.
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MacFhearguis Samba Member
Joined: March 03, 2011 Posts: 179 Location: Flagstaff
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Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 10:14 am Post subject: |
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May I suggest that you take a look at the Camping Lab Awnings:
http://campinglab.com/awning.html
Fernando is great to deal with, and at only $250 shipped, the price is hard to beat.
I mounted mine with a set of GoWesty brackets, brining my total to around $320.
The 79" awning also has a mosquito net, or room option too.
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buildyourown Samba Member
Joined: March 01, 2009 Posts: 1668 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 10:19 am Post subject: |
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I have the Fiamma 45 10' and I love it. One of the best features is how fast it goes up and down. As in, 45 sec with one person.
It's also easy enough that I'll bring it in at night if I think it's going to be windy so I don't have to worry about it.
They are wicked strong too. I awoke one morning to find a LOT of water pooled. 100 gallons easy. The awning was collapsed on itself. Drained everything off and no damage. Lesson learned. Make sure one corner is dropped so it drains.
I'm not sure I'd pay $1100 for it though. I paid a little more than half that. |
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danfromsyr Samba Member
Joined: March 01, 2004 Posts: 15129 Location: Syracuse, NY
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Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 10:19 am Post subject: |
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there's really little better then a crank out self supporting awnig (with feet kit)
for ease of deployment and stowage, you'll find yourself using a Fiamma MUCH MORE FREQUANTLY then a shady boy..
heck I roll our awning out when in the parking ot of the store sometimes..
*note, mine is not a fiamma, but a DIY type of self supported crank out awning. _________________
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CQ Samba Member
Joined: April 11, 2009 Posts: 546 Location: San Diego, CA
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syncrodoka Samba Member
Joined: December 27, 2005 Posts: 11998 Location: Santa Cruz, CA
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Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 10:24 am Post subject: |
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A well respected wheeler in a completely different forum-
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We are on our third Fiamma F35 pro. Even owning an ARB, Mombasa and a Hannibal.. it's still my favorite of the bunch and the most versatile.
They're easy to setup, handle wind great (had ours up to 50mph too many times to count) with guy lines out, they rake at an angle if need be for rain/snow and they're just bullet proof. You can mount the legs to a vehicle or to the ground. The material they use for the actual awning is the equivalent to that of an RV awning. The awning is light, i can carry it in one hand and the clamshell case is really nice compared the pouches on the market for others. I dont know what else to say. I'd buy another one in a heart beat.
Oh and we are on our third, not because we had any problems.. just different rigs/setups. |
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ddye Samba Member
Joined: July 14, 2010 Posts: 357 Location: Dallas, TX
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Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 10:26 am Post subject: |
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There is also the EZ Awning from Bud Depot http://busdepot.com/details.jsp?partnumber=A7905
Significantly cheaper. With that said it is like setting up a camping tent. I have only set mine up once and it took about 20 minutes. Now that I understand it I am guessing it will still take 10 minutes to deploy. Additionally is does not strap to the vehicle so you have to carry it inside. I do want a Fiamma but for the price I felt I could buy a whole bunch of other fun stuff instead. The time to setup does not bother me as I like moving slow when camping.
_________________ 1988 Westy
2.1 Boston Bob Rebuild
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MacFhearguis Samba Member
Joined: March 03, 2011 Posts: 179 Location: Flagstaff
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Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 10:32 am Post subject: |
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syncrodoka wrote: |
A well respected wheeler in a completely different forum-
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We are on our third Fiamma F35 pro. Even owning an ARB, Mombasa and a Hannibal.. it's still my favorite of the bunch and the most versatile.
They're easy to setup, handle wind great (had ours up to 50mph too many times to count) with guy lines out, they rake at an angle if need be for rain/snow and they're just bullet proof. You can mount the legs to a vehicle or to the ground. The material they use for the actual awning is the equivalent to that of an RV awning. The awning is light, i can carry it in one hand and the clamshell case is really nice compared the pouches on the market for others. I dont know what else to say. I'd buy another one in a heart beat.
Oh and we are on our third, not because we had any problems.. just different rigs/setups. |
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Sounds like Dave and Yosh.
In the Spring 2010 issue of Overland Journal, several awning were tested, and were set-up behind the prop wash of an old bi-plane to test wind stability.
The Fiamma won out for fit and finish, but the testers were not happy with the "liberal use of plastic connectors" which they thought was inconsistent with a higher overall quality of the product.
THe Hannibal won overall as the Editor's Choice, and the Camping Lab as a Value Choice(hence my purchase of it.) |
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JeffRobenolt Samba Member
Joined: February 25, 2007 Posts: 1513 Location: Wisconsin
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Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 10:34 am Post subject: |
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I went with the Dometic A&E Catalina, it is the same as the old Transawn 2000.
Durable and cheaper than the Fiamma.
Jeff _________________ --------------------------------------------------------
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syncrodoka Samba Member
Joined: December 27, 2005 Posts: 11998 Location: Santa Cruz, CA
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Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 10:34 am Post subject: |
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Sounds like Dave and Yosh. |
yup |
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syncrodoka Samba Member
Joined: December 27, 2005 Posts: 11998 Location: Santa Cruz, CA
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Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 11:01 am Post subject: |
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Fernando is great to deal with |
Yes, he helped me out quickly when I had a issue with the ladder for my RTT. |
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MakeFast Samba Member
Joined: January 09, 2011 Posts: 118 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 12:18 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for all the tips guys.
@ddye: that is exactly what we want to avoid when we buy an awning
If we could find the Fiamma 45 for cheaper ($1k is ridiculous, IMO) then we would go that way - GW has it about $130 cheaper for the awning and probably a bit off for shipping and mounts, but still not in the 'reasonable price' range.
I can't find Dometic pricing online - I may call around this afternoon.
If we can't find room in the budget for Fiamma/Dometic (I'm still hoping to find a used one locally - pie in the sky I know, but hey I can dream ) then the camping lab seems like the best alternative. Even if it isn't ideal, it looks to be as good if not better than the other choices and is super cheap to boot! _________________ 1986 Vanagon Westfalia |
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juanb Samba Member
Joined: December 03, 2009 Posts: 535 Location: San Francisco, CA
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Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 1:19 pm Post subject: |
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I like what this guy came up with:
http://bodeswell.org/2010/04/10/el-cheapo-20-awning/
I'm going to try it with my Westy. I don't care to have something installed there full time, and $30 is about what I'm willing to pay for shadow
j _________________ 1989 Westy AT, 2.2 GoWesty.
We drove it to Argentina: http://www.vanenvan.com |
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Ahwahnee Samba Member
Joined: June 05, 2010 Posts: 9776 Location: Mt Lemmon, AZ
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danfromsyr Samba Member
Joined: March 01, 2004 Posts: 15129 Location: Syracuse, NY
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Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 2:21 pm Post subject: |
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here's our 2 in a parking lot in 95+ heat in Fl
we had to make a custom set of brackets, certainly not for everybody but I can only have a self supported crank out setup for mom's camper
these are ~$200 from the discount stores, (christmas tree shops here in the north east)
again certainly not "The Look" for everyone, but we're more function over fashion people anyways.
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Love My Westy Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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I have both a 10' A&E TransAwn 2000 and a 10' Fiamma F45. As one who doesn't like taking the awning down because of the slightest breeze, l much prefer the A&E (which is now the Dometic). The difference is that the A&E has rafters that will not collapse in a strong wind. I have had a wind grab my Fiamma and billow it up like a parasail because of the hinged rafters which folded up. I have had the A&E for the entire time I have owned my Van (25 years) and it is still working fine, even after a few mishaps that I believe would have turned the Fiamma into garbage. The Fiamma is on our Casita Trailer and is only 3 years old. I personally think it is over-designed and that the close tolerances keep it from being all that easy to use. I have had difficulty getting it to wind in straight every time so that it will lock into its' case. It has an adjustment, but I have not yet found the perfect adjustment for it so I sometimes find myself winding it in several times to get it locked in the case.
No matter which awning, I always hang a cloth grocery bag full of rocks on the outside corners to hold the vertical polls down. The Fiamma needs to be guyed by lines running straight out to stakes to keep the rafters from collapsing by pulling them straight out.
I have camped out on the beach in Baja and had the awning out for 2 weeks at a time without a problem just by using the 2 heavy rock-filled bags on the A&E awning to hold it down. |
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gbrandt Samba Member
Joined: April 04, 2006 Posts: 578 Location: Calgary
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Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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We got the shady boy even though we were unhappy with the bolt in design. We installed it and put it up on a slightly window day and were not impressed with the stability, its like a kite.
I have read that drilling a hold in the bottom of the legs will help with stability in wind, so we'll try that.
Other than that, it is very light but most certainly did the job it is advertised to do, it gave great shade.
Nice and big too.
Gregor _________________ 'Lucky' our 1987 Red Westy, ASV 1.9 TDI ~130HP, Peloquin differential (had a GW 2.3 that we loved, but it died, we drove it hard!)
We've driven in 49 countries and 5 continents to date
Canada to Argentina and back, 2015 to 2017.
Canada to Europe and back (including Turkey, Morocco and Iceland), 2017 to 2019
Mexico 2022-2023
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thummmper Samba Member
Joined: November 25, 2009 Posts: 2015 Location: Meadow Valley, California Republic
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Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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4 stakes and bobs yeruncle |
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tpinthepack Samba Member
Joined: July 11, 2004 Posts: 810 Location: clearwater,florida
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Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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My Awning is an old Thule "gimme shelter" from the local bicycle shop. It mounts to either square, or round bars. The item was manufactured by Carefree of Colorado. Works on a Doka also.
Tony P _________________ TP in the Pack (I am a cyclist)
1968 Manx N.O.S. w/ Barrett Chassis
1960 Single Cab 1914 w/ 40 DLRA's
1990 Vanagon DOKA
1972 Super Beetle
1979 Super Beetle Convertible
2011 Porsche Cayenne |
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